Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fire Millen

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus default to keep. - ulayiti (talk) 17:15, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fire_Millen

We already have an article on Matt Millen. This information should be placed in a section in Matt Millen's article, which I did at first, but it was reverted. Why we don't want readers to read all about Millen on just one page is beyond me. This isn't a big enough "cultural phenomenon" to be listed on one page, in my opinion. Aplomado 03:16, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Keep and cleanup; if not that, then merge and redirect. However, I feel that the subject is sufficiently notable and became a large part of pop culture vernacular in late 2005. -- Andy Saunders 03:18, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Delete. Why not just include a section on it in "Matt Millen"? Aplomado 03:20, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Because when someone searches for Fire Millen, they won't find the information in Matt Millen if the article's deleted (hence my "merge and redirect if not keep"). --Andy Saunders 03:22, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Redirecting is fine by me. Aplomado 03:24, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Redirect, as a pissed off Lions fan for more years than I can count, I can understand why this article exists, but it's not of any great cultural significance to anyone other than Lions fans in Detroit. Merge it to Matt Millen and slap anyone who tries to revert.--Isotope23 03:36, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Merge and redirect to Matt Millen. I suppose some people might be puzzled about seeing signs about a football executive at a basketball or hockey game and look up the slogan itself. --Metropolitan90 04:05, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Keep. (Or, merge and redirect. -Ikkyu2 07:39, 14 February 2006 (UTC)) I ran across this article a couple of months ago, was poised to AfD it, then read the article and the Matt Millen article and came to think otherwise. The slogan itself is notable because of all the darn signs on TV. Ikkyu2 04:36, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Again, be that as it may, why not just include it in a section on Matt Millen? In its current state, people who want to read about Matt Millen must read his bio and then go to "Fire Millen" to get the whole story. Wouldn't it be more efficient to simply merge the two? These two subjects are so closely connected that it's senseless to separate them. Aplomado 05:51, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

I apologize for repeating myself. I'll shut the hell up now. Aplomado 07:05, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

I was just reading on Wikipedia:Redirects that if someone else feels like a redirect is useful, it's probably useful. Therefore, I'm going to add "or merge and redirect" to my vote, because I don't particularly feel like that'd be a bad idea. I have noticed, however, that quite often when AfD consensus is 'merge and redirect', what ends up happening is a redirect with no merge. Ikkyu2 07:39, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

I'll take care of merging if it is redirected. Aplomado 08:34, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Aplomando already had a pretty good merge that got reverted.--Isotope23 14:08, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Keep or redirect, appears to be of signficance to Lions fans in Detroit. Kappa 10:04, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Keep. The movement to fire Matt Millen is of enough current significance to warrant a seperate page. In the future, however, I would suggest a Merge and Redirect. JKBrooks85 13:25, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure it's even of current significance... Since they hired Marinelli as Head Coach and he brought in Mike Martz as the offensive coordinator you don't hear anything in Detroit about firing Millen, even on sport talk radio stations. Lions fans are a fickle bunch. If the Lions make the playoff's this year people will be calling for a statue of Millen to be erected. If they go less than 8-8, they will be dusting off their "Fire Millen" signs again.--Isotope23 14:08, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you, but until they get that 9-7 record to take the pressure off of Millen, there will be a movement against him. It's as much a current events article as any other, and until something happens to change the situation, I'd say to Keep it. JKBrooks85 20:13, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Merge and redirect to Matt Millen. No more notable than any other fan campaign to fire an unpopular general manager or head coach. Fans have wanted to can the leaders of their sports teams since the beginning of sport, and the Lions are no more special than the Oilers or the 49ers or any other major team. Lord Bob 17:49, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Merge to Matt Millen as per Bob. Ziggurat 00:05, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Merge and redirect per Metropolitan90. Steve Casburn 04:40, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.