Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Finaghy Primary School

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. Y.Ichiro (会話|+|投稿記録|メール) 17:48, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Finaghy Primary School

Non-notable primary school with no professed achievements. BlueValour 02:15, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - non-notable school, very little Google results. Kalani ^[talk] 02:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep This doesn't appear to be an ordinary primary school, with students applying, the grant, and the large campus. If someone could expand on the notability (I believe there is some somewhere), this should stay. If there really is nothing more to say about the school, then delete. (Comment added after edit conflict: I must admit the Google results aren't promising) joturner 02:28, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Based on other AfD discussions ( as there is no current policy ), Active and sizeable schools are notable. For a school around since 1934 it's unlikely that there are not notable events and ex-students/staff - Peripitus (Talk) 03:56, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. per nom —№tǒŖïøŭş4lĭfė ♫♪ 04:40, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep all school articles unless there is some compelling reason not to. BigDT 05:20, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep it is a school and that is notable.--Kev62nesl 05:37, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per well established precedent. Given age, there's good potential for expansion. --Rob 05:29, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, as there seems to be notability here (someone just needs to expand on it). This doesn't seem to be an ordinary primary school. --Coredesat 07:40, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Schools aren't automatically notable. crystal-ballism that a longer article will be notable. Tychocat 09:18, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, it's a school, it is therefore notable. If you aren't interested in Finaghy Primary school, don't read the article. Markb 09:37, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Comment: "If you aren't interested... don't read" is not a very nice thing to say on wiki. No one can assume that only school students and alumni would read the article. Who's to stop someone that clicks Special:Randompage from landing on the article? Kimchi.sg 10:33, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

• Keep as per reasons above. David L Rattigan 10:17, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and expand per Peripitus. Although I don't buy the idea that all schools are notable solely because they exist, a school that is 72 years old surely has a history long enough to be encyclopedic - it couldn't have been quietly collecting dust in that time. Delete the claim of the school being founded in 1934 is unsourced. Not even their website mentions it. [1] This erases my argument for keeping the article. Kimchi.sg 11:12, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Comment Belfast Education and Library Board say it was founded in 1934 [www.belb.org.uk/publications/354.pdf ]. No particular reason for the schools own site to mention it - they don't have a History section. Dlyons493 12:15, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, their web site does mention it. --Rob 14:19, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

• Merge into Finaghy, as per the consensus reached on WP:SCH, which everyone promptly seemed to ignore. Wah wah, delete, delete, keep, keep, and every school, no matter how good an article, or how shitty, ends up as no consensus, and yet people still vote. What a waste of time. The article on the location the school is in needs WAY more work on it than the school article, and it's way more important, but people would rather edit the one on the school to prove some kind of stupid point. Proto||type 14:22, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

  In fact, the article on Finaghy is so stubby and short, I've just merged the school article into it, as common sense and WP:SCH dictated. No doubt some fool will revert because it 'hadn't been discussed on the talk page', but I do not care. Proto||type 14:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

  Try actually clicking on WP:SCH, and see what's at the link you gave. Your unilateral action has been undone. Please read what the {{AFD}} notice says. Given that you haven't read WP:SCH in a long time, have no idea it 's tagged as rejected, you may wish to be cautious about use of the words "stupid" and "fool". --Rob 14:32, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

  Rob, considering you yourself said - on Wikipedia_talk:Schools#Time_to_retire_this - I think changing the redirect may be a bad idea, as it retroactively changes the meaning/context of somebody's archived comments, such as "Do something per WP:SCH, that's a fairly astonishing bit of doublethink. Good work. Shortcuts should be immutable for that very reason, and whoever changed it shouldn't have. No matter. I stand by my vote - merge this unencyclopaedic yellow pages garbage on a school for under-10s into the article on the locality, as god knows it needs expanding. Proto||type 15:01, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

  I don't see the "doublethink". I see somebody who made an entirely understandable mistake, which would have been ignored, and sympathized with, if not for the use of insulting terms. --Rob 15:26, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

  This is why I shouldn't get involved with school 'articles'. They just make me cross, as people seem passionately unable to compromise, in either direction. Bah, I'm going back to not having anything to do with them. Proto||type 15:42, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Non-notable. — Rebelguys2 ^talk 14:41, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: This article had a prior AFD in June 2005 which resulted in a keep. --Rob 14:51, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as per well and long established precedent. Jcuk 15:01, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Primary schools are for 10 year olds and under - no precedent - the precedent is for high schools. BlueValour 15:38, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
  • It already says the age range in the article. Also, the precedent does include keeping elementary schools. See Wikipedia:Watch/schoolwatch/Schools for deletion archive and Wikipedia:Watch/schoolwatch/Schools for deletion archive/2005. You got to go back to August before you find any such deletion (excluding copyvio, attacks, or verifiability issues). Also *this* school was previously AFD'd already, and was kept. It's hard to argue schools like this are deleted when *this* very school was kept. That seems like a highly relevant precedent.--Rob 15:48, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

• Comment - for the benefit of non-British readers, a primary school is a small school for children below the age of 10 (like kindergarten to fifth grade, I think ... I'm not great on US grades). Proto||type 15:04, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as per Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Keep. The nominator appears to be confused. Silensor 16:38, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Utterly non-notable. These school articles are the shame of Wikipedia, and have utterly destroyed its credibility as a serious encyclopedia. Do you see articles on schools like this in Britannica? Nope. Think there might be a reason for that? Ooh, I wonder. — Haeleth Talk 17:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
  • thank you for the logical fallacy, but most of what you find in Wikipedia will never appear in Britannica. There is a reason for that, but I think you misunderstand what that reason is. Silensor 17:40, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Where is the evidence that having schools articles have destroyed Wikipedia's credibility? We are the world's most used reference source by any measure and the source most used by media. The evidence is that having articles on topics outside what is in traditional encyclopedias has helped not hurt Wikipedia as shown by our Alexa rating. The responsibility is to make our articles as good as they could be. Capitalistroadster 21:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep all schools are notable see Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Keep.  ALKIVAR™ 17:53, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Alkivar. --Myles Long 17:59, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Article has scope to be expanded. Stu ^{’Bout ye!} 19:08, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Needs expansion, not deletion. -- Usgnus 20:46, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Merge to Finaghy, per Proto. Extraordinary Machine 00:43, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Notable school. CalJW 05:27, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
• keep or merge Honestly, it is what we hashed out at WP:SCH back when we came the closest to consensus - however, the reason it would have worked is that you DON'T NEED AFD TO MERGE ARTICLES. Hipocrite - «Talk» 14:53, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Notable and verifiable. Golfcam 17:34, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, most schools are notable. bbx 06:51, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Needs more content but verifiable, a subject of importance and has the potential to be a solid article.--Auger Martel 10:44, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per above. --JJay 19:54, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete primary schools need to be notable in themselves. They are not automatically notable. Ydam 08:35, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I understand the position of those who consder that all schools are inherently notable. However, as far as I can tell, that is not an official WP policy. Therefore, to be included, a school should have a notable feature - something that marks it out from the ordinary. Sadly, I see nothing like that, here. TerriersFan 16:36, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

• Nor is Notability an official WP policy. David L Rattigan 16:38, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

• Hmm, also a good point. TerriersFan 17:14, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.