Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Film is dead festival

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus - I'm not going to relist this again. If anyone wishes to continue the merge proposal, this can be done without AfD (see WP:MERGE); talk pages of articles suffice. Daniel Bryant 01:14, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Film is dead festival

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Non-notable film festival, no independent media coverage, and 0 relevant Ghits. Contested endorsed prod. Leuko 18:54, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

• Keep This festival has been around a long time. I've been to it before, showed my films there before. It's very underground and the organizers want keep it that way, and yet their festivals are always packed. This is an important part of the LA digital art scene and LA underground culture. Why delete it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jscaff (talk • contribs) 19:43, 1 April 2007 (UTC). — Jscaff (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • Because Wikipedia has notability guidelines to ensure that there are enough reliable sources to ensure verifiability and that a quality, neutral point of view article without any conflicts of interest can be created by editors who have no "inside" knowledge of the subject. Leuko 21:49, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
• Keep as main festival of new media expert Lev Manovich's Post-Cinematic Society. Smmurphy^(Talk) 03:31, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel Bryant 03:05, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

• Delete unless sourced - at the moment the only sources are four links to the organiser's own website, and a blog. Might well be important, but nothing whatsoever to show this. - iridescenti (talk to me!) 20:31, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
• Keep but tag. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 20:53, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

With what? Leuko 21:37, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Probably with {{Template:Unreferenced}}. Even so, even the blog link admits that sourcing this is, well, problematic. What I've seen about this convinces me that it belongs on WP, but without any citation, I don't think I can vote keep. Even a mention in a community weekly would be enough for me, so perhaps the article could/should be recreated sometime. On the other hand, I don't see how deleting it makes WP any better. I doubt its a hoax, and it seems important enough in an underground art festival in LA sort of way. Smmurphy^(Talk) 22:11, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I doubt it is a hoax too, but without WP:RS there isn't any independent editor review to verify the article or to resolve WP:COI concerns. Leuko 22:31, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

You are correct, of course. Smmurphy^(Talk) 22:44, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Is there any reason to redirect it to Lev Manovich (there would be very little to merge). We could also redirect Post-Cinematic Society, for that matter. Smmurphy^(Talk) 22:55, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.