Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fighter McWarrior

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus.--Ezeu 19:25, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fighter McWarrior

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871 Google hits. If this is not a hoax (which several people think it is), then it is clearly not independently notable. Just zis Guy you know? 14:15, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

In addition to the article for Fighter McWarrior, I am adding the following three characters to this AfD, which are all part of the same webcomic:

–Abe Dashiell (t/c) 15:43, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Comment - This is one of quite a few character articles related to the webcomic 8-Bit Theater. Not a hoax, just a not particularly notable webcomic character. There is a shocking amount of text devoted to that comic on here. If this article is deleted (and it probably won't be), then these should be as well, with relevant information merged back into Characters of 8-Bit Theater:
    — AKADriver ☎ 14:38, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
  • This has been listed on Wikipedia:WikiProject Webcomics/Deletion. –Abe Dashiell (t/c) 15:43, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete I have expanded this AfD to include all four of the 8-Bit Theater main characters. The Characters of 8-Bit Theater article has been ballooning for quite some time, and apparently has spilled over into these new articles. That wasn't the proper response. The characters article should have been pared down instead. We're writing encyclopedia articles here, not Cliff's Notes. I can't think of any instance where an individual webconic character merits its own article. (Yes, we have a few, but I plan on merging all of them into their parent articles in the near future). –Abe Dashiell (t/c) 15:43, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment I am not entirely opposed to two separate 8-Bit Theater characters articles — one for the light warriors and the other for minor characters — but I'd prefer it if the contributors of the Characters article instead exercise some discipline. Contrary to what you may think, an exhaustive article covering fine details is not ideal. Unless you're already a fan, just reading an article like that is a real slog, let alone trying to keep it proofread, verifiable, and appropriate in tone. If an article can only be managed by dedicated fans, it is not useful. For once, notability is not a concern, but there certainly is an issue about respecting WP:V, WP:NOR, and WP:NPOV. –Abe Dashiell (t/c) 11:15, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment: I have expanded this AfD to include all four of the 8-Bit Theater main characters. Is this entirely appropriate? WP:DEL doesn't go into detail about it, but I think that each page should have its own discussion. -- stubblyhead | T/c 18:36, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep, as part of my belief that notability should play no part. Thanos6 16:26, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Question Oh! How come? :) Dlohcierekim 20:06, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Far as I'm concerned, if something exists (whether as a real thing, or a fictional thing in a work of fiction) and it can be proven, that in itself is notable. Thanos6 02:32, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Hmmm? As has been said many times, "I exist. Then why can't I have an article?" Because this is an encyclopedia, not a phone directory. Ifnord 02:30, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
And who says an encyclopedia shouldn't define every possible thing? Thanos6 07:13, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
From the page What Wikipedia is not, "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of items of information. That something is 100% true does not mean it is suitable for inclusion in an encyclopedia." Ifnord 16:28, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
With infinite storage space, there's no reason that should be true. Thanos6 18:57, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Comment I'm not sure w/ have infinite storage space-- hence the strain on the servers. The idea of potentially infinite storage space not withstanding, Wikipedia is still not an indescriminate collection. And the issue in my mind is still notability. :) Dlohcierekim 10:56, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep, major character from a notable comic. If these articles have spilled out of the characters article, then there's clearly an interest in having more information about them available. -- stubblyhea

d | T/c 16:32, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Keep The article "Charachters of 8-bit Theater" is entirely too big so I decided to move the top 4 chars to have their own article as to shorten it and neaten things up. Btw ne1 who still thinks this is a hoax, visit http://www.nuklearpower.com/
    In addition, many Articles concerning fiction have seperate articles for majore charachters, so there should be no problem with keeping these. -AK.
    It would have been better just to trim all the cruft out of Characters of 8-Bit Theater than to continue expanding it by splitting off the character articles. — AKADriver ☎ 20:17, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
    Or have an article on minor characters. This character is of no conceivable interest to anybody other than existing fans. Just zis Guy you know? 21:18, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
    The article is too big because there is a belief that information on every single miniscule thing in the comic is needed. "In Episode 862, Fighter looked to the left in panel 3." We need to seriously trim it, I think. --R. Wolff 08:11, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per Abe Dashiell. -- Dragonfiend 22:25, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge back into the Characters and either make a minor characters article or just take a chainsaw to it, but it isn't a hoax. Kotepho 23:50, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak Delete I don't think that webcomic characters should have their own pages, but there's a lot of information to go back on for new readers. It should be streamlined and shrunk. Danny Lilithborne 01:10, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge and Reorganize Combine these four articles into one entitled '8-Bit Theatre, The Light Warriors,' being the focuss of the series, an abundance of information is unavoidable... But I find the trivia amusing... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by KefkaTheClown (talk • contribs) .
  • Merge back into Characters of 8-Bit Theater. I don't have a problem with articles on individual characters, but I'm not sure there's enough information to justify splitting off the article. As mentioned in Black Mage Evilwizardington, the difference between comedy and canon is often ambiguous — therefore an ideal description of each character would be two or three paragraphs explaining their personality, backstory, and role in the plot. This would fit comfortably into Characters of 8-Bit Theater. Feezo (Talk) 06:39, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge back into Characters of 8-Bit Theater and then trim the cruft out of that article per AKADriver -- Hirudo 14:27, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Transwiki all to Comixpedia or possibly merge to the one article. Stifle (talk) 15:14, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
    Or Wikipidea can stop being gay and abolish Transwiki. As for mergeing everything to one article; no way. That would make the article extreremely huge.-AK —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.194.250.30 (talk • contribs) .
  • Merge back into Characters of 8-Bit Theater, per Feezo and Hirudo. Due to the nature of the comic, a biographical approach (as is being taken now) will just lead to longer and longer articles. As far as I'm concerned, the character information on the main 8-Bit Theater page is all that is necessary. If someone wants to know everything a character has done and every little quirk about that character, they can read the webcomic, or simply post a question on the webcomic's forums. - Kalarchis 20:00, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete then propose Characters of 8-Bit Theater as non-notable webcomic for deletion as well. Ifnord 02:07, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep Major characters of a well known comic. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 03:20, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Smerge back into Characters of 8-Bit Theater. -Sean Curtin 06:01, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge back into Characters of 8-Bit Theater for all the reasons stated. --R. Wolff 08:06, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
  • I suppose we should also delete all single-charachter articles from all other fiction as well? No says I! Deleteing, Mergeing, Transwiki, or anything else should not be done! -AK Keep —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.194.250.30 (talk • contribs) .
  • Keep How did this page get challenged for deletion, anyway? There's no issue here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.156.108.174 (talk • contribs) .
  • Keep If we expect internet publications such as Wikipedia to become a respected medium alongside print media, then we should follow that same ideal with internet publications such as webcomics. If a manga series can have seperate pages for main characters even when the series itself is not that popular, than a popular webcomic such as 8 Bit Theatre that has defined so much of Final Fantasy fan culture deserves the same treatment. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 144.131.235.58 (talk • contribs) .
  • Merge, Trim, and Keep' to Characters of 8-Bit Theater] The overall subject is notable. If the individual characters increase in notability, we can recreate their individual articles. AN encyclopedia article need nt recount every move a character makes. :) Dlohcierekim 11:14, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete, Delete, Delete - Throw them back into their character articles and trim them up. The fact that the article on the mage is longer than the article on Alyx Vance, is not a fault of the Alyx Vance article. It is the fault of editors putting in every bit of stupid trivia there is into the mage article. Noting what every character has done throughout their sprite tenure at the comic is not for an encyclopedia. Yeah, Wikipedia is an Encyclopedia. - Hahnchen 15:07, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. I am transwikiing these to the Final Fantasy Wiki, and you can access these pages from there if you'd like. So far, Fighter and Black Mage have been transwikied, and I plan to work with the others later.

Crazyswordsman 21:03, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

  • They're all transwikied now. Anyway, I vote to merge 'em back. Crazyswordsman 21:16, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep If we delete these articles, why not delete Dennis the Menace? Although I do confess it'd be a good idea to trim them down. Trivia like "The representation of his cardinal sin: Hubris, represented by a serpentine creature with a human face" for Red Mage is just silly.Crimson Shadow 22:59, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Exactly, you have all these other charachter articles floating all over wikipidea and there not getting deleted/merged/transwikied. Keep -Admiral_Kelly
    • Comment - Maybe it's because series like Dennis the Menace and Street Fighter have had more cultural impact than any of these ever will? - Hahnchen 08:09, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
      • Comment How can you say that? Yes, the Beano and Street Fighter have had an impact. But if you're going to claim that a webcomic wont have the same impact purely because it's a webcomic, then why on earth are you contributing to the web-based Wikipedia?Crimson Shadow 18:55, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
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