Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fielzão

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Pascal.Tesson 13:57, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fielzão

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This is about an association of football fans who want to raise money to build a new stadium for Sport Club Corinthians Paulista, which does not seem to be a notable organisation to me. I would suggest delete, but merge with Sport Club Corinthians Paulista would be fine with me too. If the article is kept, I'm happy to do as much as I can of the (much needed) cleanup on this article, but don't want to waste any time if the article is deleted/merged. Schutz 11:47, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete Appears to be a translation of pt:Cooperfiel, but notability outside of Brasil is negligible. Fails WP:V. Caknuck 23:00, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Corinthians is one of the most famous football clubs in the world. Brazil is a big country, and football is the world's leading sport. This club is more notable outside its own country than any NFL club is outside the United States, so Caknuck's reasoning is chronically U.S. centric. If the topic is notable in Brazil, that is all the notability it needs. It does not fail WP:V if sources are available in Portuguese, even if Caknuck cannot read Portuguese. Abberley2 01:50, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Note that we are not talking about the club itself, but some group associated with it, so the fact that Corinthians is one of the most famous football clubs in the world may not really be relevant. You ended your paragraph with "If the topic if notable in Brazil", but did not really reply to this question (which I can not answer since I don't speak Portuguese either) — the existence of the article on another Wikipedia is probably not a proof for notability, since they may use different criteria (or the article may be non-notable, but noone has yet bothered to list it for deletion). Schutz 06:53, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
I don't think that my reasoning is "U.S. centric" so much as it was a comment on how notability varies from project to project. The importance of Brasilian football clubs and their supporters skews higher on pt: than here because a) an encyclopedia generally caters to the demands of its users and b) and the architects of the encyclopedia (meaning the editors who write articles and those who collaborate to form consensus) will have a built-in regional bias. What may seem in the English-speaking world as a NN fan group (as it is in my opinion) may be sufficiently notable for the Portugese WP. And conversely, an American college football team's booster club which may gain sufficient editor support for inclusion here may not pass muster in pt:. Caknuck 13:40, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
  • This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. ChrisTheDude 07:27, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete I don't believe they are notable. Number 57 08:02, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge I don't think it warrants an article but a paragraph, suitably cleaned up, in Sport Club Corinthians Paulista would be OK to my mind. --Malcolmxl5 17:31, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge into the club's article -- BanRay 22:26, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete fan clubs are usually not notable at all, and this is one of them. And, of course, wherever they hail from (Brazil, the UK and even Italy). --Angelo 00:03, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge, agree with User:Malcolmxl5. --Steve Farrell 15:34, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Speedy delete Per WP:NOT. Couple that with the poor writing and vandalism, and this should be up for speedy delete. J-stan Talk 01:52, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.