Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ferdinando Pisani
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Delete. — Scientizzle 00:58, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Ferdinando Pisani
Non-notable supposed "leading expert in alternative medicine". The sources provided are not sufficient to establish notability (for instance, the source in Italian does not even claim that he would be an expert in alternative medecine, it only says "In Chile, as an example, a team guided by Dr Ferdinando Pisani is making an experimentation with some essential oils [to cure AIDS]"). In summary, this person has not been the subject of any published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject. Delete. Edcolins (talk) 19:50, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- Delete . I put a prod2 on this, after User:Meco's prod. A reliable disinterested user removed it, and I can not figure out why. He has already been notified. I'd wait to delete it until he has a chance to comment--maybe he saw something I & Meco & Ed didn't see. DGG (talk) 20:24, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- Neutral comment As I am closely involved with the subject (no secret about it), I cannot vote, but I would however like to point out that this discussion I think happened before and the article was not deleted. someone please can find that debate ? thanks. --Nando65 (talk) 21:22, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- Ferdinando, thanks for your comment. From the history of the article, it appears that a request for speedy deletion was made, but removed. Then a proposed deletion was made, but also removed. I am not aware of any previous debate on this article, sorry. --Edcolins (talk) 21:38, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- I was referring to this bit in the history: 04:20, 30 September 2007 Jayvdb (Talk | contribs) (1,384 bytes) (deprod: reason for notability given) (undo). I presume there was a discussion leading to this action by the user, I did not follow personally at the time as I am quite new here, so any help welcome.--Nando65 (talk) 21:44, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- I think Jayvdb meant that something in the article was, to him, sufficient to justify notability. I respect his opinion, but I do not share his view. Once an article is proposed for deletion, anyone can remove the proposal. Then, if deletion is contemplated, a debate should take place to find a consensus on whether to delete the article or to keep it. --Edcolins (talk) 22:04, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- I was referring to this bit in the history: 04:20, 30 September 2007 Jayvdb (Talk | contribs) (1,384 bytes) (deprod: reason for notability given) (undo). I presume there was a discussion leading to this action by the user, I did not follow personally at the time as I am quite new here, so any help welcome.--Nando65 (talk) 21:44, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- Ferdinando, thanks for your comment. From the history of the article, it appears that a request for speedy deletion was made, but removed. Then a proposed deletion was made, but also removed. I am not aware of any previous debate on this article, sorry. --Edcolins (talk) 21:38, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- Neutral comment As I am closely involved with the subject (no secret about it), I cannot vote, but I would however like to point out that this discussion I think happened before and the article was not deleted. someone please can find that debate ? thanks. --Nando65 (talk) 21:22, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- Delete . I still see not even a real assertion of notability for this person. __meco (talk) 21:25, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- Information. Please also note the following: I am also known as a photographer, and for example I won a special prize for ethnographic photography in Peru - very local I know, but still an achievement in that field. See http://www.llli.org/Peru.html, "Premio Especial y 1º Puesto Fotografía Etnográfica, Iquitos, Al Sr. Ferdinando Pisani Massamormile ..."--Nando65 (talk) 21:44, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- Information. I removed "leading expert", I agree it was biased. At this point, I personally think that the only grounds for the proposed deletion is "this person has not been the subject of any published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject", and I think this is not correct in light of the references contained in the article. I would also recommend users related to alternative medicine are invited to comment. Thanks in advance, --Nando65 (talk) 22:35, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for the information. I have removed the tag {{article probation}} you have just added to the debate. This tag is usually added by the Arbitration Committee if appropriate. --Edcolins (talk) 22:51, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- Information. I removed "leading expert", I agree it was biased. At this point, I personally think that the only grounds for the proposed deletion is "this person has not been the subject of any published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject", and I think this is not correct in light of the references contained in the article. I would also recommend users related to alternative medicine are invited to comment. Thanks in advance, --Nando65 (talk) 22:35, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- Information. Please also note the following: I am also known as a photographer, and for example I won a special prize for ethnographic photography in Peru - very local I know, but still an achievement in that field. See http://www.llli.org/Peru.html, "Premio Especial y 1º Puesto Fotografía Etnográfica, Iquitos, Al Sr. Ferdinando Pisani Massamormile ..."--Nando65 (talk) 21:44, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- Delete Notability not established or even asserted by the article. Beeblbrox (talk) 05:40, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
- Delete stub about a non-notable individual. I have been canvassed to vote for this article, but will not do so. There seems to be a very real conflict of interest issue involved in the creation of this article. Promotion (especially of oneself) is not allowed here, and I'd vote for a delete and SALT anytime as a consequence of this attempt. -- Fyslee / talk 07:29, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
