Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Faxon Montessori

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Close. Some of these may be deletion candidates (though per previous practice, they should be redirected to school district pages), others should be tagged for merge, or may be notable. No unilateral decision can be made in a bundled AfD such as this. Editors should be WP:BOLD in making decisions on individual articles. Controversial articles should be brought back to AfD individually.BLACKKITE 00:49, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Faxon Montessori

Faxon Montessori (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Non-notable primary school -- should be merged with school district page. Dougie WII (talk) 22:22, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related pages because they are also primary schools from the same school district:

Central Middle School (Kansas City) (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
East Elementary (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
J. A. Rogers Middle School (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
Martin Luther King Middle School (Kansas City) (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
Northeast Middle School (Missouri) (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
Westport Middle School (Missouri) (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
Woodland Elementary School (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

-- Dougie WII (talk) 23:19, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Merge and redirect all to Kansas City, Missouri School District. Dougie WII, if you think that an article should be merged, you can propose a merger, rather than bringing the article to AfD. Bláthnaid 23:25, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge all, I would only use AfD if somebody reverted a redirected article. I placed hundreds of merge school tags to let the creators of such articles know that they should stop creating individual pages for every school in the world. Also, I hoped that people would just merge away. AnteaterZot (talk) 02:31, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment author deleted PROD tag on first article that suggested merger. -- Dougie WII (talk) 02:36, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
    • Sure, they'll do that, but if the information survives on a district page they'll usually not care that the article is gone. AnteaterZot (talk) 02:43, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge per nom. Primary schools shouldn't be notable on their own. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 22:32, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep Central Middle School (Kansas City). First junior high in its area, first million dollar school, notable architecture and plenty of sources here. Looking into the others. TerriersFan (talk) 05:22, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment Why? It's not the first million dollar school ever (only in Kansas City), and it's not even a million dollar school, the article's author says it cost around $900,000. I don't see how that makes it notable. -- Dougie WII (talk) 23:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment - there are enough sources available to meet WP:N. TerriersFan (talk) 23:50, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment -- I haven't confused anything. All of these schools are already mentioned there so these should be deleted and redirected. -- Dougie WII (talk) 19:26, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
    • Now, I'm confused. You said, in nominating, "should be merged with school district page" and in reply to AnteaterZot, "author deleted PROD tag on first article that suggested merger". Secondly, it is clear that these articles have not yet been merged to the district article. Further, if you desire to redirect them, there is no need to delete first and, I would argue, undesirable. DoubleBlue (Talk) 19:57, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
  • What is the process then for removing these primary schools? In the past I AfD or prod them and they were deleted or sometimes redirected/merged by whomever closed the AfD. Thanks. -- Dougie WII (talk) 20:13, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
You don't need a process to redirect, just replace the page with #redirect target page. redirecting or merging is not the same as deletion; the prod tag was removed probably because it (as prod tags inherently do) proposed deletion. —Random832 20:32, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment - I have reopened this AfD that was closed as redirect by the nominator out of process. There was no consensus for this action and and I, for one, don't agree with a merge or redirect for at least one of these schools. TerriersFan (talk) 23:29, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Suggested way forward - one way out of this would be for the nominator to withdraw the nomination then the AfD can be closed as Speedy Keep. After that the nominator can merge tag the pages if he wishes (not a unilateral redirect) and we can discuss the proposed merges. TerriersFan (talk) 23:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment I think I'd rather just let the AfD go to completion and let whatever happens happen. I really don't care what happens to these articles, if people want to keep them fine -- I'd rather spend my time here working other articles. I thought I was being helpful by nominating them since it seemed the consensus was already that only high schools were notable and elementary and middle schools are not. -- Dougie WII (talk) 23:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment - most (but not all) editors regard high schools as notable and they are nearly always kept at AfD. All editors regard elementary/middle schools as having no inherent notability consequently the proposed criteria at WP:SCL which, if passed, they would have to meet, whilst at present they have to meet WP:N. However, they deserve individual consideration. At the moment I am looking into the notability of these nominated schools. It may be that they finish up being merged but they deserve a look for sources first. HTH. TerriersFan (talk) 00:12, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment The type of articles you mentioned as meeting WP:N for Central Middle School (Kansas City) are extremely minimal, just saying there was a fight there, some students are tardy or skipping school there, it was the first day of school there today, etc. If these make a school notable than every school in the world should be notable by default then. -- Dougie WII (talk) 00:20, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment - sorry, that misrepresents the sources. There are more sources, on a wide range of issues, than I have seen for many middle schools. Sadly, they are mostly behind paywalls and I'm not prepared to mortgage the house by paying to see them all :-) Having said that it is certainly the first middle school in its area is notable and (though I can't source definitively the first) possibly the first middle school in the US is notable. Most elementary/middle schools have far fewer sources so no need to worry on that score :-) TerriersFan (talk) 00:32, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
I can verify that in the greater Kansas City area, most of the usual news outlets do not provide free access to archives older than 5 or 10 days. There is a big business in this region that resells access to this type of local archived news content. The fact that the sources are currently not cited is not equivalent to an argument against notability; on the contrary: the fact that it is asserted that they exist, and normal websearches show numerous hits for docs behind paywalls, indicates that it is notable, and that we hope somebody can provide the references from a stack of newspapers in their mom's basement or whatever. This will never happen if the articles are deleted. JERRY talk contribs 01:50, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep all as default, and nominator merge-tag or list separately... this cluster nom of schools is confusing as a combined nomination, and some clearly are notable. Concensus will be impossible with everyone differently saying delete these, merge those, keep these... JERRY talk contribs 00:21, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep all. While some of these should be ultimately be merged, none of them need to be deleted and the merge discussions can take place separately on the respective article talk pages. RFerreira (talk) 06:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete This is ridiculous. There is absolutely no evidence of notability whatsoever. NBeale (talk) 12:56, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep all the middle schools for now as possibly notable; Delete the primary school. Bearian (talk) 00:15, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.