Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fawn (musician)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was DELETE. Despite much persuasive effort, there is evidence of successful persuasion. -Splash - tk 19:11, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fawn (musician)

Being a member of an NN pop duo is not notability. Passing mention in soundtracks or album comps is not notability. Working with a bunch of notable people does not make this person notable. Scoring commercials does not make a person notable. A followup from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vincent Covello(musician) --- tqbf 01:12, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete, as non-notable. Thanks, Codelyoko193 (T/C) 02:56, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete: Non notable and no reliable sources. - Rjd0060 05:33, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep*Do not delete: well documented fact that this singer/songwriter is AWARD winning and had a song out apart from Vincent Covello and the pop group. The song raised 5 million dollars and changed lives. national commercials IS notable. Scored, produced and performed. Modeling in a well known calendar is notable. Composing for film and TV soundtracks is notable. So just WHAT do you consider "notable" I would be curious to know! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.175.233.64 (talk) 00:37, 13 November 2007 (UTC) — 76.175.233.64 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
It's well documented? Cite sources. --- tqbf 01:33, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete as nn. That said, I'm more than open to changing my opinion. While I won't agree that performing in commercials or posing for calendars is necessarily noteworthy, raising five million dollars for charity through the release of a song most certainly is. Such an achievement would most certainly be well-documented. Unfortunately, mention appears to be limited to this article and the subject's own webpages. References, please. Victoriagirl 04:11, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep There are over 50 pages documenting 5 million raised for HIV. One of them in the Yahoo biz. finance section. AS far as I'm concerned. becoming a member of a pop group is the LEAST notable. But all of her other accomplishments ARE. I vote to keep this page. The ASCAP catalog alone and IMDB speaks for itself. The other point to be made is she is on itunes. "Body Soul and Mind" LINK for news as current as this month documenting as such: http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/071025/20071024006624.html?.v=1
This change was pasted over the AfD template as a comment by User:Donnamusic. This user has made very few edits outside of the subject of the article. --- tqbf 19:47, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
User:Donnamusic, you just cited a Businesswire press release. Press releases do not meet the WP:RS standard; they aren't independent of the subject and aren't subject to editorial oversight (anyone can make a BW press release for virtually anything, and it will automatically be picked up at aggregators like Yahoo). Do you have better sourcing? --- tqbf 19:49, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I actually have several newspaper articles (paper form) documenting the sales of her song "Oneday" which raised 5 million for HIV/AIDS. It is a well documented fact in the media. The PSA ran with Fawn and Joan Rivers. I saw it a few years ago.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.175.233.64 (talk • contribs) — 76.175.233.64 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

  • Keep I have personally seen her on TV, heard her music in film. It has been a common fact in the gay community what both she and her song has done for HIV awareness, prevention and funding. Notable. I have newspaper clippings to back these facts. :Fawn (musician) (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log) — Mkdav (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mkdav (talk • contribs)
Moved top-posted vote. --- tqbf 16:38, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Moved top-posted sockpuppet. Stop wasting time. --- tqbf 16:48, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Comment What has been described as a magazine article above appears to be a scanned ad or press release - as evidenced by the contact information. Victoriagirl 16:55, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Valuable articles don't usually require the services of four sockpuppets to justify. :) --- tqbf 16:56, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. I see a lot of sources here, but none of them meet the criteria of WP:RS: reliable sources independent of the subject. The only remotely reliable sources here provide no more than passing mentions. Delete as non-notable. -- Terraxos (talk) 18:30, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Judging from this edit it would appear that Photomatt 16 (talk · contribs) and 76.175.233.64 (talk · contribs) are one and the same - meaning the same recommendation has been made twice. There is, of course, the possibility that Photomatt 16 has edited another's post - a violation of Wikipedia policy. -- Victoriagirl (talk) 20:35, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
  • A case could be made that all four of User:Donnamusic, User:Photomatt16, User:76.175.233.64, and User:Mkdav are SPAs from the same user. I'd be surprised if this article was kept, regardless. --- tqbf 20:52, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
    • Keep*The music connection article, written by Dan Kimpel and documenting the song and it's contribution to society is from Januray 2007. Vol.XXXI, No.1 1/01/07-1/14/07 Songbiz section, PAGE 21. Call them and find the printed source in the archives. The so called "scanned" version you're referring to, states the issue and date. The writer's email is: dan@dankimpel.com. No one has anwered my question about hard copy articles and how you "produce" them onto the net for all the mis-informed who say that this person is not notable. Please advise. Thank you. Donnamusic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Donnamusic (talk • contribs) {spa|Donnamusic}}
The above text has been repeatedly top-posted to this discussion by the Donnamusic SPA. I give up on cleaning up after it. --- tqbf 01:30, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Comment I've moved yet another comment placed above the AfD nomination. It should be noted that this is the second Keep recommendation made by this user. It is also of some relevance, I think, that it is one of several Keep recommendations that have made the exact same error in their being placed above the AfD nomination. This includes contributions by the single purpose accounts Photomatt16 (talk · contribs), 76.175.233.64 (talk · contribs), and Mkdav (talk · contribs). Additional comment: tqbf has given up on attempts to clear this, but I haven't... not yet. In answer to Donnamusic's question, no web posting is necessary, all that is required are reliable, verifiable sources. Victoriagirl (talk) 01:43, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Yet another top-posted comment, moved to the bottom. --- tqbf 02:50, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Comment Donnamusic, the issue here is whether Fawn meets Wikipedia's notabilty guidelines. The references presented in Fawn do not meet the guidelines. Concerning the three pieces presented on this page:
  1. The scan from the January 2007 issue of Music Connection, appears to be press release or ad. Amounting to fewer than 100 words, it is unsigned and ends with the email address for Pavlina Krepelkova, a contact who, it would appear, works for Bobbi Marcus Public Relations & Events, Inc..
  2. The subject of the BBW Press article is not Fawn, but the "I Create Music" Expo (indeed, the article is titled "Another Hit for Ascap with the 'I Create Music' Expo"). The singer is only mentioned once in the article, as one name in a rather long list of attendees.
  3. The final piece, that from Plus Model magazine does indeed appear to meet Wikipedia standards concerning reliable sources. While by itself it is not enough to meet the notability guidelines, it is a start. Victoriagirl (talk) 17:04, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Comment--hey tqbf--just got your message on my page--thank you. I'm new to this, and am appalled at the general immature treament from select wikipedia users here on this page. At least you took time to advise me. Donnamusic.

  • I'm reading User:Donnamusic's contribs and those of Special:Contributions/76.175.233.64, and they are suspiciously similar (for instance, inserting the same unnecessary <br> tag into the same place in an article). I note also that this SPA battery is coming dangerously close to [1] vandalizing my user page. --- tqbf 17:57, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.