Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fan Wars (1999 film)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. --Coredesat 06:03, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fan Wars (1999 film)

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Non-notable fanfilm. It exists, but no assertations of notability, and no independent third party references or citations. Delete. TheRealFennShysa 16:23, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

  • But, it is notable fanfilm, according to the Word from a Director - Fan Wars, it is a successful project, garnering lots of good response. This article should be edited to establish its notability. Keep. --Bryan Seecrets 18:34, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. No secondary reliable sources, as defined in WP:NOTE and WP:PSTS. The movie director is not an independent source. Karaboom 20:22, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
  • No, but it isn't self-published, and the publisher in this case is independent, which means the article was effectively independent (i.e., if they thought it was biased, they wouldn't have published it). JulesH 17:32, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Very notable, not just as a "fan film" but also as a pioneering example of the made-for-Internet fan film genre that has led, ultimately, to entire series of Star Trek being produced by fans and involving Trek actors and writers. The Lucas association pushes this into the realm of notability, as does Trooper Clerks. 23skidoo 18:54, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - "Very notable"? Based on what, exactly? Notablity based on the comments of the director is NOT enough - you will need credible third party sources. If you can find them, please insert them, but nothing as yet in the article asserts any real notability, nor are there any references to it being a "pioneering example" - which it is not. And there is not a Lucas association with this film - it was never part of the Official Fan Film Awards. Trooper Clerks is a different case, and has quite clear citations and references to its notability. This article/film does not. TheRealFennShysa 20:02, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong keep. The notable fan film is based upon The Phantom Menace's Trailer B, with the motif of fans invading a theater on the opening day. Don't delete this article and keep it instead, I need credible third party sources to verify this. --Bryan Seecrets 07:38, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - I struck through your vote, Bryan, as you've already done that - no need to do it again, as it won't count multiple times. It is up to you to provide credible independent third-party sources to establish notability, not minor details about the construction/basis of this fan trailer. It's highly unlikely that you're going to find them, and the trailer is not notable just because you say so, or because you're trying to establish an article as a springboard for the article you've already had deleted about your proposed feature version of this trailer that you're planning to make. TheRealFennShysa 15:20, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. Non-notable, no reliable sources. Also suspect pattern of vanity edits from article creator. MikeWazowski 19:02, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Per nom and ors, a non-notable film with no reliable sources, WP:CRUFT. Thewinchester (talk) 06:45, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

*Strong keep. Reliable sources are TheForce.net. I'll provide more reliable sources to conform it as notability. --Bryan Seecrets 19:20, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Stop adding "keep" votes, Bryan. You don't get to vote multiple times - as a matter of fact, this isn't strictly a vote - it's judged on the strength of the arguments for or against - and you haven't yet made a case for this article, as the "reliable sources" you cite are not enough or relevant. TheRealFennShysa 22:33, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Fan Wars at Celtx Project Central appears to be a possible reliable source, and explains existence of the future open source film that is made out from this fan film trailer. Bryan Seecrets 19:20, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Existence, yes. Notability, no. No one's debating the project exists. Is it notable? Nothing you've provided to date shows that. TheRealFennShysa 22:33, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
  • CommentThere is something that makes its source notable, according to user KerberProductions, is this project sounds awesome and great. Bryan Seecrets 18:09, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - I had an awesome and great meal for dinner the other night - doesn't make it notable, though. KerberProductions (who only posted that it sounded awesome, *not* great - don't invent more stuff that doesn't exist) isn't notable either, judging by the lack of Google hits on the name. Try again. TheRealFennShysa 19:51, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.