Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fairfield Union High School

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep, even after disconting high school, keep votes, many of the delete votes came before the article were expanded. Jaranda wat's sup 04:52, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fairfield Union High School

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Fails WP:NN. Non-notable School Kevinwong913 Speak out loud! 18:33, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Keep It has been agreed about a thousand times that all high schools are notable. Hawkestone 19:05, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - Also agree on the consensus that HS are notable Corpx 19:23, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
  • N Delete no verification of notability in reliable, independent sources is provided and no WP:Notability policy supports the automatic notability of high schools. Without sources proving notability, it needs to go. VanTucky (talk) 21:03, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge, this is a very short article provided very little info more then the location and school district. I would say merge with the school district or with Lancaster, OhioJForget 22:23, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
  • KeepStrong Keep, :It was trivial finding multiple independent references for the info in this stub in the first page of Google hits. High Schools issue diplomas that are recognized by the community at large (especially employers) so this is prima facia evidence of Notability. Dhaluza 00:33, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Those are trivial mentions and dont really add to the notability of the school. Corpx 04:26, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
  • I said it was trivial to verify the info in the stub. Notability comes from recognition of the school's graduates by the community at large. Dhaluza 10:46, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Article has been improved, and now contains info about a successful Title IX challenge, which is more than enough to establish Notability. Dhaluza 09:23, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 12:16, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ohio-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 12:19, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. There is no consensus that all secondary/high schools are notable. Each school has to be judged on its own merits and must conform to WP:N. The article as it currently stands is nothing more than a directory-style entry. The sources found do little more than prove that the school exists. If the article cannot be expanded it should be deleted or merged with the appropriate location article. Dahliarose 13:24, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per my view of school notability. Eusebeus 13:39, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep valid high school stub. -- DS1953 talk 16:39, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Borderline Keep — Barely notable, but possibly it can be expanded or merged into the city article. — RJH (talk) 17:39, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
"A school is notable only if it has attained some distinction for something other than its normal operation as a school." -from WP:SCHOOL. No longer an official WP policy, but can we take a look anyways? Kevinwong913 Speak out loud! 18:18, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Comment - I am sorry, but this was always a silly statement. On this basis, and for consistency, we would delete most articles on malls as 'as not having attained distinction for something other than its normal operation as a mall', most footballers as 'not having attained distinction distinction for something other than their normal occupation as a footballer' etc :-) TerriersFan 18:44, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, no third-party references present. I think the "all schools are notable" concept has fallen by now. Wikipedia is not a directory. Stifle (talk) 21:19, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. This falls under Wikipedia:WikiProject_Schools, and should be expanded.--Absurdist 22:20, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment I promised myself I would never get involved with school deletions again, and I haven't even read this article, so I won't comment on it. With that said, Absurdist, I mean no disrepsect, but are you f&%!ing kidding? The guy who voiced pedestrian #162 in Grand Theft Auto: Vice City falls under the jurisdiction of Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games, but that doesn't mean we need an article on it! To whoever closes this AfD, I'd urge you to disregard the above comment, as it makes absolutely no sense and gives zero rationale as to why this page should be kept. -- Kicking222 23:43, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment. The above comments illustrate that I am not the only person who considers high schools to be notable. While I am admittedly unaware of the consensus on the issue, I am familiar with WikiProject Schools, whose members are committed to improving these articles. In addition, a beyond-trivial video game character is not a fair comparison. I would agree that the lunch lady of this school (which would be closer to your example) does not deserve her own article (although I'm willing to read a debate). --Absurdist 00:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
      • I'm sorry, but your point still is not valid. Tons of Wikiprojects have highly devoted members, but that does not mean that everything that could have an article should. For a more accurate comparison, we're talking about a school falling under the schools WProject. An indie film nobody that never saw a theatrical release is still a film, and would thus fall under the film WProject, but it should still not have a WP article. Having a project attached to something neither adds nor confirms notability. Again, I haven't read this specific article (and am consciously not doing so), but I can tell you that the mere fact that there are people devoted to creating and improving school articles does not mean that any individual school is necessarily notable. -- Kicking222 00:04, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete there is no non directory content, except the quotation of the totally non-notable school song and mission statement. The first two comments say that we have agreed by consensus that all high schools are notable--they seem to be mistaken, based on the comments here, which show no such agreement, and the comments & closings of all previous high school AfDs in the last 6 months at least, where those with little content have been uniformly deleted . The argument that such even should be the consensus is not helped by content-free articles such as this one. (There is more agreement that it is possible that they might all be notable if enough effort were put into finding out, but such is true of a great many things).DGG (talk) 00:11, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, 400 Google News Archive results, 96 results on .oh.us, and 29 hits on .gov. A upmerge to Fairfield Union Local School District would be appropriate. John Vandenberg 02:37, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep As currently modified by all those committed to improving school articles, the article provides multiple reliable and verifiable sources to establish notability under the Wikipedia:Notability standard. Alansohn 02:41, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per Alansohn and others. EagleFan 15:06, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per Jayvdb, Alansohn, EagleFan, et al. High Schools should be presumed notable, although not all High school are notable. Bearian 19:35, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm puzzled by the distinction--given that you agree they are not all notable, are you arguing they should have articles in WP anyway? DGG (talk) 00:48, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - I am sorry but because high schools issue diplomas does not equate to validating an article on every dang one of them. Just have one article about high schools, state they issue dipolmas; if you feel a need for a list of schools add it in that single article. These caliber of articles are a melange of trivia and almamatercruft. This is an encyclopedia; not the farmer's almanac, the local newspaper, or trivial pursuits. --Storm Rider (talk) 06:00, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - a significant high school with the necessary secondary sources to meet WP:N and involved with newsworthy controversy. TerriersFan 23:08, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.