Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fairbrook Elementary School

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Non-admin closure. Boricuaeddie hábleme 16:16, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fairbrook Elementary School

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NN Elementary school, little content Rackabello 16:31, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete. No sources or evidence of notability - just because a school exists does not mean that it's notable! Ali (t)(c) 16:34, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Changed vote to weak keep - sources have been added. However, the article provides little content about the school, and the Blue Ribbon honor is not very unique. Ali (t)(c) 02:21, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per lack of notability Corpx 18:28, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong keep - A Blue Ribbon school, the highest award a school can get in the US, together with other multiple sources means it easily crosses the WP:N threshold. TerriersFan 19:46, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
  • That was almost 10 years ago. Even then, I don't such an award should confer notability upon an elementary school Corpx 20:38, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
  • The award does not confer notability upon an elementary school; only WP:RS can confer notability upon an elementary school. -- Jreferee (Talk) 07:07, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
If elementary schools are eligible to receive it, then there is no reason to say it should count for middle schools and high schools but not elementary schools as far as wiki is concerned. Postcard Cathy 02:37, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletions. —TerriersFan 20:52, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete as nn school that asserts no basis for warranting encyclopedic treatment. Eusebeus 21:15, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep Recognition by the Blue Ribbon Schools Program, combined with ample reliable and verifiable sources, demonstrates notability by any interpretation of the Wikipedia:Notability standard. While most elementary schools will be unable to claim notability or provide sources to support a claim, this article -- and this school -- clearly surpasses the qualifications of notability. As notability is not temporary per WP:N, and it doesn't disappear or fade away, the fact that one of the awards was received ten years ago is utterly irrelevant. The claim that this article "asserts no basis for warranting encyclopedic treatment" is utterly false and is a mere restatement of the baseless claim that "no schools are notable". Alansohn 22:08, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge to Beavercreek City School District--JForget 22:27, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
  • delete the highest honor the federal govt gives, and a rather meaningless one at that. Awarded for a single year. It goes to a different set of schools every year, with only a few repeats [1] eventually, like championships once in a single sport, most schools will get it. The awards of likewise insignificant. Most elementary schools are probably non notable no matter how hard the editors try. DGG (talk) 22:43, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - I am sorry but this fundamentally misrepresents the award. What is the basis for saying it is meaningless? The federal government doesn't think so nor do educationalists. The few repeats are a function of the difficulty in gaining the award. With under 300 awards per year out of 133,000 or so schools it will remain exclusive for many years to come. Agreed that most elementary schools are probably non notable - but this one plainly is. TerriersFan 01:48, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
  • There are plenty of these awards that go around. I know here in Texas, they confer titles of "commended" or "distinguished" or whatever else based on standardized test scores + some other minor factors. These ratings change every year due to the results. It's only good for hanging a banner outside the school and that's it. The Blue ribbon is given to "public and private K-12 schools that are either academically superior in their states or that demonstrate dramatic gains in student achievement." I think that's a pretty loose criteria for inclusion. If this school was on the blue ribbon list for a number of years, then maybe it indicates notability, but just 1 appearance 10 years ago? Corpx 02:04, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Texas have their own Blue Ribbon awards which are plainly less notable than the federal ones. There are not plenty of these to go around - as I say above less than 300 per year out of 133,000 schools - and the criteria you mention are just to get considered not to be awarded. Also, the article now has the multiple sources to meet WP:N independently of the award. TerriersFan 02:16, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
  • To elaborate on TerriersFan's responses, most of the issues raised are answered rather clearly in the Blue Ribbon Schools Program article. About 300 of the 133,000 eligible schools in the United States are cited per year, a little over 2/10's of one percent of eligible schools. In the 25 years since its inception in 1982, 5,200 different schools have been recognized, less than 4% of all eligible schools in the United States. At this pace, it would take 600 years or more for all schools to be recognized, assuming no duplicates. Schools cannot apply for an award with five years of previous recognition, making it rather difficult to get a streak going. An even cursory overview will demonstrate that the national program is far more selective than any of the state recognition programs. Most importantly, this award, and other recognition received by the school, is documented and supported by reliable and verifiable sources to satisfy the Wikipedia:Notability guideline. As notability is not temporary, the receipt of the award ten years ago, 25 years ago, or some other comparable award received 100 years ago would all be equally as notable as any award received today. Alansohn 03:22, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
  • The criteria for qualification under this award is extremely weak (in my opinion). A self-evaluation and a plan for the future, that's it? No objective criteria? I'll be satisfied of notability if a school has won more than one blue ribbon Corpx 04:04, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
  • DGG is quite right; the Blue Ribbon thing is more guff that, like winning a football championship, is hardly grounds for establishing encyclopedic notability. When did the notability guidelines become simply a question of being "documented and supported by reliable and verifiable sources?" Document and verify all you wish, but for many editors, citing this award as grounds for retention is a real stretch. Eusebeus 06:09, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Since WP:N became the notability standard. TerriersFan 16:14, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - there is not purpose for these types of articles; existence does not equate to needing or having an article about each and every school in the world. --Storm Rider (talk) 00:23, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - What is "these types of articles"? I fully agree with your last point but what is the relevance to this particular school? Bridgeplayer 03:46, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. Any award given to 300 schools a year isn't exclusive enough to make a school notable by itself. •:• Will Beback •:• 01:24, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete no verification of notable events, awards, alumni or other history. VanTucky (talk) 23:39, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
    • I see nine references, most of which are providing "verification of notable events, awards, alumni or other history". Are we reading the same article? Alansohn 00:17, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep view - I gather that for notability per WP:N you need multiple sources which this page has. It seems to me that insufficient attention has been given to the peace award - any award given to just 1 school in a state is notable. I also don't see the criticism of the Blue Ribbon; some sort of standard to keep/delete school articles is needed and this seems as good as any. Bridgeplayer 23:45, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong keep While Blue Ribbon Schools are not as selective as, say Ivy League admissions, they do indicate the school has more than adequately met minimal standards and that shows leadership on the part of administration and an effective teaching staff. There are too many schools out there now a days that can not say the same. Postcard Cathy 02:34, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per Alansohn and TerriersFan. -- DS1953 talk 05:36, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Meets WP:N. Noroton 05:41, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per the Blue Ribbon satisfying WP:N, and let's find a better one to argue about. -- But|seriously|folks  18:36, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per the WP:RS satisfying WP:N. The Blue Ribbon satisfies WP:CSD#A7 as would notable events, awards, alumni or other history if needed. -- Jreferee (Talk) 07:03, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
  • How does WP:CSD apply here? Corpx 07:10, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.