Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fair Oaks Mall

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was KEEP. -Docg 01:36, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair Oaks Mall

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Article was {{prod}}'d, deleted, and is now undeleted. This article has existed for eight months without references. There is ample trivial reporting on Google news and news archive - Factiva not checked - but nothing found which takes the mall as its subject. A directory entry only, with no claims to encyclopedic notability through independent non-trivial reporting. Angus McLellan (Talk) 12:42, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete. The article does not claim notability for this particular mall; it is just a list of stores and their square footage. Sam Blacketer 14:21, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete WP:NOT a directory, of malls or anythign else. Guy (Help!) 16:51, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete - no notability. There are 'ooos of these malls. No independent significant media comment. BlueValour 17:14, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. I've personally had my fill of attempts to delete shopping center articles. --MatthewUND(talk) 23:51, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Then you may want to explain why this article meets the Wikipedia standards - and if you can come up with something, you may want to add it to the article. As it stands, however, it doesn't meet those standards, and it's hard for a mall to be notable. --Dennisthe2 04:47, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
      • Comment Please see Alansohn's comments below. --MatthewUND(talk) 10:01, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. I've personally had my fill of attempts to create directory listings for shopping centers. --Calton | Talk 23:56, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. A mall is not inherently notable. --Dennisthe2 01:18, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Changed vote to Keep per below, shows notability now. Have a nice day. --Dennisthe2 23:37, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. I've had my fill both of attempts to delete shopping centre articles and nonsensical attempts to stretch dot points in WP:NOT to claim the topic doesn't meet them. Rebecca 04:40, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
    • If you could tell us how it does meet WP:N, then, that would be appreciated. See also my resonse to MatthewUND above. --Dennisthe2 04:47, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete NN mall, See WP:NOT. Davidpdx 12:23, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Name, location, and list of stores... looks like a directory entry to me. More importantly, no reliable secondary sources in evidence. Shimeru 00:19, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per above. --badlydrawnjeff talk 00:45, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per above. --maclean 03:42, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, article contains no information other than trivia. >Radiant< 07:41, 2 January 2007 (UTC) Merge per Visviva below. >Radiant< 10:51, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Article will greatly benefit from additional attention, but attempts to use WP:NOT as an excuse to delete the article are at best, unjustified. At over 1.5 million square feet, this is one of the largest malls in the state, and a major regional business. Alansohn 07:58, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. The current version of the article includes references which appear to establish notability. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 20:24, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. Can those who voted to delete earlier please make clear if their vote still applies in the wake of the expansion and referencing of this article? Rebecca 21:45, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Cautiously suggest a merge and redirect to Fairfax, Virginia per WP:LOCAL (or at least one interpretation thereof). I would more confidently suggest a merge if the target article were not so woefully underdeveloped. We lack the focused independent coverage on which a proper article can be built, but there is some value in the information here. -- Visviva 10:35, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge to Fairfax, Virginia per WP:LOCAL and Delete or Redirect. Merge the intro without the list of stores and the history. Vegaswikian 00:14, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
    • What is the point of deleting most of the interesting content? Rebecca 00:54, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
    • According to the article the mall isn't in Fairfax, Virginia, but rather "just outside the City". -maclean 01:23, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
      • Comment Because of that, wouldn't it be a bit misleading to merge it with the Fairfax article? I say let it have its own article. I also agree with Rebecca that merging would result in the loss of the more interesting information about the mall. --MatthewUND(talk) 07:12, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
      • Thanks for pointing that out... that does seem to be correct, judging from this map, which would put the mall just north of the city limits. In that case, the merged information should go to Fairfax County, Virginia; and since that article already has a fairly well-developed "Economy" section, this content won't be terribly out of place. -- Visviva 08:14, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. It is a large, generic building that rents space for commercial use...and...I just don't see how this particular mall is notable. -maclean 01:23, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.