Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/FADVOCAT

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Singularity 06:18, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] FADVOCAT

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It's a law firm. Doesn't seem particularly notable. Speedied twice, but as it's in Pakistan, and I don't read the language, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and use AfD this time. FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:07, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete No notability asserted.Gillyweed (talk) 11:22, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete as per nom.  Esradekan Gibb  "Talk" 11:25, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete A Google search on "FADVOCAT Pakistan" (without quotes) turns up 4 hits, two of which are Wikipedia and two of which appear to be on a forum. Nothing else. Trvsdrlng (talk) 11:27, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Speedy, WP:CSD#G4 if it's a repost. Otherwise delete for non-notability. Kidding, I read that too fast. It wasn't AfDed before.--Nsevs • Talk 11:28, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment, hey its one notable law firm as it was formed by some of the best lawyers in the country and its the first law firm to have established a brand name and slogan. what needs to be done for this page to be kept on wikipedia please let me know instead of deleting everytime i try keeping it. thanks. Jean. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeangabriel (talk • contribs) 00:31, 21 March 2008
It's nothing you're doing Jean, it's just that the company doesn't meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines.  Esradekan Gibb  "Talk" 12:08, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete It's a good call by FQ to take it through AFD, but it's still pretty much A7 and certainly seems to be no more notable than any other of the countless law firms. Pedro :  Chat  12:04, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete It seems that the primary author also has a conflict of interest. LittleOldMe (talk) 12:58, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete even on their own website they say "FADVOCAT is going to be a multi specialty Law Firm with a national practice" which I would interpret as self-admission of failing WP:CORP nancy (talk) 18:51, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete - other than fadvocat.com and the FADVOCAT article on wiki, there is no evidence of this firm existing, in fact fadvocat.com is written in the future tense. Pahari Sahib 05:33, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment. No need to worry about not reading the language. Any genuinely notable law firm in Pakistan would have significant sources online in English, the country's official language. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:43, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete By its own admission, a small firm. What it needs for notability is participation in major cases and coverage of that-- do any of the newspaper articles say that--please include a suitable excerpt. Choosing to adopt commercial marketing techniques is not notability. One could argue that if their main claim to importance is marketing, a WP article would be a natural part of it. And that is not our role. DGG (talk) 17:17, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment Agreed. But setting new standards, introducing new trends is notability. It is the only law firm in Pakistan whose core speciality is Cyber Law. This is notability. In Pakistan newspapers do not cover law firms. Try finding an Article about a law firm in any pakistani newspaper site and you would not find it. Besides advertising your law firm in Pakistan is considered a bad practice unlike rest of the world. The lawyers who form the firm are considered an authority in their respective fields of practice. They are very well known in legal fraternity. You can find information in the newspapers about the founder of the law firm who is a popular Youth Leader and the Provincial President of the Ruling Political Party. References are given on the Article page. Since those references are from the National Urdu Newspapers, they are not available on World Wide Web but the news excerpts can be scanned into digital format and posted onto Wikipedia if the need be. Please advise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.125.143.69 (talk • contribs) 10:03, 23 March 200810:03, 23 March 2008
Yes, law firms are rarely discussed specifically by newspapers in the United States, where I live, either. Only the most important and significant ones would be discussed in a newspaper. Individual law firms can be notable, but usually are not. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:08, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment I have seen numerous Articles about firms on WP which are not even close to FADVOCAT in terms of notability. And I don't understand why FADVOCAT has to be put in AfD Category just because of lack of information on WWW, reason of which is that in Pakistan newspapers do not cover lawyers and lawyers do not advertise themselves as it's against the norms. Please go ahead and delete FADVOCAT from WP. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.125.143.69 (talk • contribs) 10:31, 23 March 200810:31, 23 March 2008
  • We're working on it, but we haven't yet finished reviewing all three million articles on Wikipedia. If you've seen an article that doesn't meet the notability standards, feel free to use the AfD process to nominate it for deletion; you'll be helping the encyclopedia. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:33, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete In my opinion it should be deleted. And the claim by the anon that info regarding Pakistani law firms can't be found on the internet, so i must say that it's wrong. Here is the link of some notable Law firms of of Pakistan, even some law firms have their own pages but information regarding them can be found from other sources too, like the law firm of S M Zafar [1]. --SMS Talk 19:34, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment Smsarmad,

Kiddo. I was referring to Newspaper resources over the internet. I specifically said newspapers do not cover law firms. I repeat "Newspapers". Not the Internet! And the website which you say lists prominent law firms in Pakistan does so through law firm founders' submissions. The owner of FADVOCAT can submit his law firm information on that website too. I would advise you to do a thorough research before you recommend something for deletion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.20.20.35 (talk • contribs) 14:37, 24 March 2008

  • Comment The founder Fraz Wahlah is again in the Newspaper today. Daily Jang Newspaper March 25, 2008, Lahore Edition, along with other Politicians from Lahore congratulating newly elected Prime MinisterHiwah (talk) 04:52, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


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