Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/F90 Gundam Formula 90

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. --Coredesat 05:22, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] F90 Gundam Formula 90

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Article describes in intimate detail a fictional suit appearing in a comic. Not notable. Perhaps of interest within an anime wiki, but not wikipedia Oscarthecat 20:20, 22 August 2007 (UTC) :Suggest that the following related and similar articles have similar consideration for deletion. :NOTE: These articles are not part of the nomination, and not under discussion. This is only about F90 Gundam Formula 90. --Eyrian 20:25, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

F91 Gundam Formula 91
ZZ Gundam
MSA-003 Nemo
MSA-0011 S Gundam
MSZ-006 Zeta Plus
RGC-80 GM Cannon
RGM-79 GM
RGM-89 Jegan
RX-75 Guntank
RX-77 Guncannon
Gundam (mobile suit)
RX-79 Gundam
ORX-005 Gaplant
RGM-79 GM
RGM-89 Jegan
Nu Gundam
LM314V21 Victory 2 Gundam
MAX-03 Adzam
MS-05 Zaku I
MS-06 Zaku II
MS-07 Gouf
MS-09 Dom
XM-X Crossbone Gundam —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Oscarthecat (talk • contribs) 20:26, August 22, 2007 (UTC).
One other note. The MS-06 Zaku II actually had an AFD about two months ago and the decision was keep. --69.156.204.97 23:51, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Also the aricle Gundam (mobile suit) survied an AFD debate under it orignal name RX 78. That can be seen at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/RX-78 Gundam. Someone should read those AFD's first before they try to nominate them in the future. Also to avoid any possible confusion only the article listed at top is currently consider for deletion the others are considerations for future debates. They are not all up for deletion at once. --69.156.204.97 00:57, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge/Redirect as appropriate to a summary article for the series of appearance. The way to cover most of these is not deletion, but rather to cover in a page for the overall series. Exceptions can be handled on their own right. FrozenPurpleCube 01:34, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and even with the list here...you're not even close to the tip of the iceberg that is the number of Gundam-related articles on Wikipedia. FrozenPurpleCube 02:24, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment This is obviously a Bad faith nomination. The nominator did not read ANY of these articles before doing the AfD, using the same argument on at least 2 Afd nom already while the other one is not from a comic from the very first paragraph. A lot of listed models are major characters of their related series, and should not be listed as following related and similar articles have similar consideration for deletion. If the article is nominated alone and with a more good faith nominator, I would go for delete on this one, but since the nominator showed no knowledge in the topic and wished it to be a first of more deletions, I have to say Keep. MythSearchertalk 03:27, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Transwiki Is there an appropriate place to put all this fancruft/in-universe content? Looks like the ones getting coverage are from guides and fan sites . Corpx 04:05, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
    • There is a place this is Gundam Wiki [1]. -Adv193 21:02, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - completely in-universe subject, violating WP:WAF, and has no verifiable third party coverage to establish its notability. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 04:06, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletions. —Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 04:06, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Did the nominator even read the "first" article he nominated? Real-world context is established in the first line. A model kit which spawned an anime. (Anyone else wish some people would remember not a battleground? Kyaa the Catlord 08:37, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete or Merge - I've been against deleting most of the mobile-suit related articles listed for deletion, but this one isn't anywhere near as good or comprehensive as the others I've seen. It would be better off either merged with a larger article (such as one of the lists of mobile suits, or it's appropriate Era), or just deleted. If it is a major mobile suit of the series, there is certainly more information that isn't included here, such as who pilots it or what battles it is involved in, that should be added. If it isn't one of the major ones, it probably shouldn't have its own article and should be, as I said before, merged or deleted. -Rycr 10:20, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: Actually, after reading through the article again, I realized that it could be added to F91_Gundam_Formula_91, as it is the basis for that unit. -Rycr 10:26, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge and I strongly caution my fellow anime fans to step back and avoid hostile accusations. Kyaa notes that this is "A model kit which spawned an anime" but the article says "the series of Mobile Suit Gundam F90 model kits, later adapted into manga." (em mine) So wouldn't the obvious solution be to merge to Mobile Suit Gundam model kits or what have you? Eleland 14:39, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Reply, I don't think so, you know how much this was bashed over and over that models are not notable? Wouldn't it still be very notable when a model kit can spawn a manga series just by itself? MythSearchertalk 15:33, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Speedy Keep Extremely bad faith nom. Has mass-nominated several Gundam articles with almost the exact same text for the reason, and has obviously not read any of them. Furthermore, in the case of this particular AfD, it's obvious the user in question has not even LOOKED at most of the article listed-- only the initial one has an AfD tag, and well-written, well-sourced articles such as Gundam (mobile suit) are listed that clearly meet noteability standards. Jtrainor 20:11, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete Lacks independent secondary sources to establish notability and provide real world context. Jay32183 20:52, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

By the way, with regards to this particular article, it and the F-91 article need to be merged into the Formula Project article, which has needed a re-write for some time by someone knowledgeable on the subject (it involves an anime, a manga series, and a whole mess of model kits). Jtrainor 21:04, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Keep per Jtrainor and Kyaa the Catlord. The names may change but the rationales are always the same and always as invalid. MalikCarr 22:14, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep but should eventually be changed focus to discuss the highly successful model kit series instead of the in-universe story. There are a lot of variants of the F90 series model kits and, as mentioned, were so popular that its own manga series was created. --Polaron | Talk 01:13, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion of nomination

(to Eyrian)You arn't the nom, so I really don't think it's your place to say what this AfD covers and what it does not. Jtrainor 20:27, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

They weren't added to the nomination properly. Therefore, they are not a part of the nomination. --Eyrian 20:28, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
I'll review and raise seperate AFD's for the multiple articles listed following the initial AFD, in order to keep everyone happy and stick to Wikipedia policy. Have struck out those later additions now. --Oscarthecat 21:05, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep I'd keep and add an inuniverse/wikify tag. Mbisanz 21:57, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.