Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Félicité Jandia

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus to delete. But I suggest better sources be cited in this article. W.marsh 21:01, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Félicité Jandia

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Nom - Not notable. She's an "also ran" in the long-lived category. She never held the title "oldest" - unless its OK to narrow the field down to French possessions outside of France. If we can do that, then I lay claim to the oldest person living in my house. I.e.: "so what?" Rklawton 17:59, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Agreed, fails WP:BIO completely. WJBscribe 19:21, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Keep. Anyone in the supercentenarians category (there aren't many) is notable. There are very few reliable claims of 110 years or more. Gene Nygaard 19:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. Perhaps as a "list of", but not individually. Rklawton 20:58, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
    • No, individually. Gene Nygaard 09:20, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Keep. As per Gene Nygaard. Extremely sexy, a.k.a. Bart Versieck 14:41, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. I agree with Rklawton, in that a list is more appropriate when people are only notable because they are on a list. I have no idea as to how to respond to Bart's comment. DrKiernan 14:44, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. That's my nickname, hence. Extremely sexy, a.k.a. Bart Versieck 16:11, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. Are you proposing making a list article?→ R Young {^yakł_talk} 18:08, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. We have idiot articles on American high schools--of which thousands exist. Yet how many people are 111 years old?→ R Young {^yakł_talk} 18:03, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. Once again, and anti-French, anti-African bent. Not a single UK "oldest" article has been challenged, yet this lady lived longer than quite a few...Annie Knight, Florence Reeves, Aida Mason, etc. I question the bias behind these nominations...Wikipedia should be about the world, not just the Anglo-American world.→ R Young {^yakł_talk} 18:06, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Reply - that's a bit misleading. This person wasn't "France's" oldest, as you imply. She is billed as the oldest living person residing in a French possession. That's a wee bit narrow in my book. Rklawton 18:22, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm not implying overt bias, but we often tend to favor our own nation, culture, language, etc. Checking here, we see 14 British supercentenarian articles, but only 12 French:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:British_supercentenarians

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:French_supercentenarians

Yet statistics show that France has had more supercentenarians than the UK (currently 87 vs 66).

Also, "Overseas French possesions" includes the entire French overseas empire...French Guiana, Polynesia, Reunion, New Caledonia, Guadeloupe, Martinique, etc. When you scratch the surface, that's quite a bit more substantial than a high school in Miami or a fake TV show town.→ R Young {^yakł_talk} 18:36, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

• Question - so the question at hand appears to be whether or not it is appropriate to separate out French possessions from France when considering age-related records. Or, if they fly the French flag, should they not be considered French? Or is there some sort of French bias against its citizens not actually living in France? How about creating a category for U.S. territories and protectorates, too? They fly the U.S. flag with all the rights of an American citizen, but hey, they really aren't part of the United States... Rklawton 19:08, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

FYO, You can check this out here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:French_supercentenarians

Gaudeloupe alone (the island this woman was from) has 452,000+ residents (far more than St. Kitts, for example). Consider that the current oldest person in Germany and the UK are both younger than Ms. Jandia was.→ R Young {^yakł_talk} 21:16, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but when's the last time Guam's oldest resident lived to 111? As for Puerto Rico, we do have TWO supercentenarians from Puerto Rico listed, but both of them lived to be "world's oldest person" or "world's oldest man," so this is not comparable.131.96.70.158

• Delete. NN. And to the person who noted that we have lots of articles on non-notable high schools, I would simply note that my vote here is not inconsistent: please feel free to check my record ! WMMartin 01:49, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

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