Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Extreme metal

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Keep pschemp | talk 02:43, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Extreme metal

Not needed article. Largely redundant with heavy metal music and its named subgenres. Also consider that heavy metal is per definition extreme. Spearhead 21:49, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

• Keep --MacRusgail 22:08, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete As per Spearhead. "Extreme" metal denotes no specific bands or genre specifications. It merely lists a couple subgenres.+Johnson 04:04, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Extreme Metal is no genre, keep it with Heavy Metal and inside that atricle the sub genres like Trash, Black etc etc. 62.145.208.215 08:13, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
• Not a recognised genre, article has no real content. Redirect to heavy metal music. Proto||type 08:54, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep The term is a corely used term, paticularly by fans and musicians in the Metal Scene. Bands such as Eternal Tears of Sorrow often call themselfs Extreme Metal. Spearhead is doing some create clean up work, but this article is directly linked from List of heavy metal genres, an article i mediate very closely to expell and integrate bad and good content. I think Spearhead has gone a little too far this time, however. Ley Shade 09:29, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you insofar as that the term does exist and is commonly used. However, I don't think it warrants an article by itself, as it can be explained properly on Heavy metal music. A redirect may be more appropriate. Spearhead 10:08, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps making an article listing all the terms such as Speed Metal, Epic Metal, Extreme Metal, Dark Metal, etc etc would be appropriate, and linking it to the List of heavy metal genres article, titling it 'Heavy Metal References' or something. Ley Shade 12:37, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

isn't that what List of heavy metal genres already does (or at least should do)? Spearhead 16:16, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

It would be, but leyasu keeps deleting stuff out of there. +Johnson 16:39, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

The reason i delete stuff from there is because people keep filling it with nonsense, and trying to create genres, here is a few: 'Circus Metal', 'Jungle Beats Metal', 'Evil Metal'. As for the merge, i think that, perhaps, Spearhead and me should merge all the articles that are cross-genre references into one article - which shouldnt be the List of heavy metal genres, as thats supposed to be a general shortcut to all the main articles. Ley Shade 17:01, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

I see. Sounds good. Makese sense, since the article is called "List of heavy metal genres" and not "List of heavy metal genres, cross genre references, styles" ect. +Johnson 17:44, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Getting a proper List of heavy metal genres is a good starting point. If we could at least settle on that, we can start working on getting the actual articles fixed. Generally speaking all these metal genre articles are a load of crap. And it completely is beyond me why Heavy metal music is a featured article. One other thing is that all the lists of key artists should go, since they are target for vandalising and contained in the article anyway. Maybe we should take this discussion to the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Metal Spearhead 15:56, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

We should, and ill move it to the correct page when youve done it, mainly because im havign a hard time concentrating on something for a long period of time atm. Anyways, like i said, move all the cross genre references onto one article, that, should in theory, provide a good starting place. Ley Shade 16:08, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. I have to vote keep based on the heavy google response [1]. -- JJay 16:24, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

The idea is to delete this page and merge all cross-genre references into one page. "Extreme metal" is not specific enough, it does not denote a specific style or genre. I could call any metal extreme, fans of mainstream music would probably agree. +Johnson 16:44, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

• If you intend a merge that should have been worked out with the editors of the page. It does not require AfD. Otherwise, the page seems fine to me. -- JJay 16:46, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

• Keep and expand as all "extreme metal" genres (Black metal, death metal, viking metal, even thrash) are poorly described on the heavy metal music article. I know there are pages for each of these genres, but while all the sub-genres, variations and history of heavy metal (power metal, speed metal, etc.) are featured on one page, this is not the case for the "extreme metal" genres. In its present form, the page is useless however, and needs to be expanded or deleted until someone has time to write a proper article. --IronChris 21:19, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep.--Danteferno 22:08, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, there are a lot of tenuous music genres out there, but this is legit. Some of the (sub) genres on Template:Heavymetal google as as low as 21,000 - this gets 1,200,000. note - The battle to avoid over-categorisation in music has been lost. Deizio 12:10, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Moe ε 02:45, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.