Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Everest Catholic High School

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The suggested merge location contains merely a list of schools, and this one is already on it. Non admin. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 12:42, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Everest Catholic High School

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Non-notable high school that will open in Augus 2008. Article sounds like a press-release. Damiens.rf 17:17, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

  • Keep All schools are notable. ArcAngel (talk) 17:33, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
    • Do you have a reference to a consensus that supports that? Vegaswikian (talk) 21:06, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep. I thought we were done with the random deletions of high schools?EagleFan (talk) 18:18, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
    • Article updated with external references. Should be Kept. EagleFan (talk) 16:52, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment by nominator : I'm sorry if I'm doing something wrong here, but I am not aware of this high-schools deletion debates. Is there really a policy or guideline saying that all schools are notable? If so, does it apply to yet-to-be-open schools? I swear I'm acting in good faith. --Damiens.rf 18:56, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
    • Comment - check out Wikipedia:OUTCOMES#Education. There's a policy proposal at WP:SCH, but nothing concrete yet. No opinion from me, but I'm chopping out the Background section as it's almost all a copyvio of [1]. — Matt Eason (Talk • Contribs) 19:22, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
      • I retored the section with new data and external references. Thanks for your help!EagleFan (talk) 16:58, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment: It appears that a recent debate resulted in the deletion of the phrase that declared all high schools to be notable. The proposed guidelines ( which are still under development) about school notability are at WP:Notability (schools). Paradoxsociety (talk) 19:40, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Michigan-related deletion discussions. —• Gene93k (talk) 20:19, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. —• Gene93k (talk) 20:19, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment. The target for a merge/redirect in this case is Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Detroit#High Schools if it comes to that. • Gene93k (talk) 20:27, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
    • I disagree. The school, while operating with the blessing of the Church, is operated completely independent of the Diocese. If the Deltionists win this nomination, I would just suggest deleting, not merging, the information as there is not a relevant related article.EagleFan (talk) 22:10, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge: as per Gene93k. Quite aside from that the oft-quoted "policy" isn't even a consensus, let alone black-letter policy or guideline, we're talking about a school that has not yet opened. It will not have, therefore, garnered the awards, alumni, controversies or sporting championships typically used to justify a secondary school's notability at AfD.  RGTraynor  00:20, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge per Gene93k and RGTraynor. Paradoxsociety (talk) 03:03, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge per RB Traynor. This will take care of crystal ball considerations. Once the school finally opens, it will have additional independent coverage and will most likely have enough information available for a stand-alone article. 147.70.242.40 (talk) 20:34, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
    • Again, the school has been open since 1991. The expansion is from K-8 to K-12.EagleFan (talk) 20:41, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
      • You mean that there's been a school of the same name open. If there had been a previous article covering the K-8 parochial school, and that article established notability for the elementary/middle school, then there'd be no problem. This doesn't seem to have been the case.  RGTraynor  21:15, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge per discussions. The school does not yet exist. Once it does, then it can be determined if it is in fact notable. Current guideline that exist or are proposed do not seem to support any kind of notability exemption for this school. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:11, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge to the Archdiocese. CRGreathouse (t | c) 15:53, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep and move to Everest Catholic schools. What we have is an existing school, Everest Academy, that educates in elementary/middle grades and a new school, Everest Catholic High School, that will open in August, on the same site and under the same educational management. The fact that the high school has not yet opened is not necessarily crystalballism; we have sufficient precedent on forthcoming CDs, books, films etc that a page can be justified if the planned event is reliably sourced and there is something encyclopaedic to say. Thanks to EagleFan, there are now multiple sources. I don't see much point in merging the page and then breaking it out again in less than four months time. What I am proposing is a new page Everest Catholic schools that can have two sections, one on Everest Academy which has a sourced, innovative educational approach and one on the High School for which there is also worthwhile content. Such an article would be somewhat analogous to a public school district. 16:35, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment: If there are enough parochial schools in the diocese to justify it, it makes perfect sense to me.  RGTraynor  16:41, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge - does not meet my standards yet - insufficient number of cites, not yet enrolling students, no alumni, etc. Do not delete, just in case, so we can re-create it more easily when it becomes notable. Bearian (talk) 19:23, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.