Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eva Morris

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Neil ☎ 10:20, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eva Morris

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Article on person claimed to have been the oldest in the world. Notability not established per WP:BIO; there are no refs to WP:RS reliable sources, let alone substantive ones to establish notability. This stub had been merged by me to List of British supercentenarians (see [1] and [2]]), but was subsequently unmerged without comment and without improvement. There is nothing in the article which could not be accommodated in a list, with a footnote to the effect that she "attributed her longevity to some whisky a day". --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:54, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

  • Merge: Again, and redirect. - Rjd0060 (talk) 01:00, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete lack of achievements, other than being old, means this article is destined to remain a stub forever. Ohconfucius (talk) 04:06, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep and improve. All a good game of who gets to Google it. Anyways, I think she's (the oldest person in the world) is as notable as the tallest person in the world or the heaviest person in the world, or even the strongest person in the world in an achievement. Neal (talk) 06:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
    • Which part of WP:BIO cites age, height or weight as factors in notability? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:23, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
      • The question rather is why any oldest person in the world would be not notable? Extremely sexy (talk) 12:05, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
        • Once again, you are confusing notabilty with noteworthiness, which is a different issue. They would not be notable if nobody has bothered to write a decent article on them which says more than that they are very old and that they are still alive, which is what appears so far to be the case with this woman. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:18, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
        • Bart, the problem is not every oldest person in the world is notable. Many of the oldest person in the world in the 1960s, '50s, and '40s, we know nothing about. Just a first name, last name, date of birth, date of death, country born, etc. This just makes them a factoid, so it will be hard to make them a Wikipedia article. Best put in a table. Anyways, Eva Morris does not fit that category, as she died in 2000, however, she's not as popular on the Internet in comparison to the oldest person in the world like 2007 and 2006. Her article was just lacking references and citations. Neal (talk) 17:05, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
          • There have been 80+ British supercentenarians, but a few who might stand alone, and a separate article is needed for the world's oldest person infoboxes anyway. Extremely sexy (talk) 22:30, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
            • There is no need to create under-referenced stubs just in order to have infoboxes. Lists can and should be used instead. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:46, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
      • (Reply to BrownHairedGirl, Bart beat me to it) If I said being the oldest person in the world of the tallest person in the world is mentioned in or passes WP:BIO, then that would be something else. So false question. Neal (talk) 15:16, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
        • Neal, it's not a false question, it's the only relevant question. WP:BIO is the guidelines by which we assess the notability of people, and "tallest person", "oldest person" etc are not mentioned there. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:46, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong keep. As per user "NealIRC" in fact. Extremely sexy (talk) 12:04, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong keep. As per user "NealIRC" and "Bart Versieck". Will try to add refs as I saw something about her somewhere. ''[[User:Kitia|Kitia]]'' (talk) 22:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep A good many of the supercentenarian articles deleted lately very much deserved to be deleted, but some should remain--such as this one. .DGG (talk) 11:20, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Being the oldest living person in the world, however temporarily, is grounds for notability. I can see that gives us a lot of problematic articles, like this one; but I don't think outright deletion is the solution. Terraxos 21:26, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.