Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/European Graduate School

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. Johnleemk | Talk 14:45, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] European Graduate School

This is advertisement. The spam link has been removed on other pages, for example on Jean Baudrillard in 2003. Lapaz 02:27, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

• This afd nomination was orphaned. Listing now. —Crypticbot (operator) 15:40, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: On its face, it seems to meet WP:SCHOOL in that A. It's a school, and B. There's verifiable information about it -- they hold a .edu, as well. But, I'm troubled by this[1] link, which seems only to exist to convince people that A. Yes, it's a school, and B. It's really real, trust us. Pay no attention to the fact that it shares an identical favicon and layout to egs.edu itself. S k e t c h y. Adrian Lamo · 22:22, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Given that the philosophy behind the school, as evinced by its faculty, is wholly poststructuralist/postmodernist, I think references to "is it a scam" should be seen as a demonstration of deep-rooted scepticism towards institutions and categories, or merely ludic. Cognos 21:58, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Unaccredited school not even recognized within its home country[2]. Adrian Lamo · 22:24, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
  • According to the link you provide, the EGS is "A non-U.S. entity that has the legal authority to issue degrees usable as credentials in the nation that authorizes issuance of the degrees, but which has not demonstrated that its degrees meet Oregon standards." and NOT unaccredited. Cognos 21:47, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep. This school *is* accredited by a Swiss Canton, which is the political unit responsible for accreditation within the federation. It is not sketchy, it's edgy - it is low profile by choice. Do you really think that the faculty who teach its seminars would teach at a scam institution? BTW, the institution was set up by Jean-Francois Lyotard. Anyway, more to the point, the U.S. gov't has also given some recognition to the EGS, and is not as sceptical as Oregon about its accreditation status: "According to Wallis (the Canton)university law, the EGS is regionally accredited by the Ministry of Education and grants recognized M.A. and Ph.D. (Doktor der Philosophie) degrees on the basis of the State Council decision by Kanton Wallis (Switzerland), from April 14, 1998. With the decision from December 12, 2000, the United States Department of Education has determined that the European Graduate School satisfies the definition of an eligible institution under the Higher Education Act of 1965 and will be listed in the next edition of the Directory of Postsecondary Institutions published by the U.S. Department of Education. The EGS School Code OPE ID Number is 03518300." [3]Cognos 21:45, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep The European Graduate School is an accredited institution. Oregon's arbitrary standards do not define what a legitimate institution is. The website itself also states, "PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT WE HAVE BECOME AWARE OF SOME QUESTIONS AS TO THE ACCURACY OF THIS DATABASE. UNTIL THESE QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN RESOLVED, PLEASE DO NOT RELY SOLELY ON THIS RESOURCE TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT AN INSTITUTION IS PROPERLY ACCREDITED." [4] And therefore cannot be used as a legitimate source of verifiable information. Even if it were verifiably accurate, Oregon's jurisdiction on its standards of accreditation do not apply anywhere else on earth, including the rest of the United States. The EGS is subject to high standards, its faculty and students illustrate this.-- jmark13
• Strong Keep I attend this school. I got a federal stafford loan to attend this school, because it is accredited and listed as an institution that the US gov't gives grants in order to attend. Yes, its low key and yes its out of the ordinary, but it definitely does exist and is a great school. I've also spoken to numerous people who have attended schools in Europe with a similar teching style: here are your reading assignments, see me at the end of the quarter. That's basically what this school is like, with the added benefit of having an online forum for students to converse. My class has students from San Diego, San Francisco, New York, Chicago, Tel-Aviv, Vienna, Miami and lots of other places. I also know numerous professors at UCSD who have friends who teach at EGS. I also added some more links so that it has more content and is not just an ad. -- lotu5 At resist d0t ca / http://deleteTheBorder.org/lotu5
  • Nice work! Maybe you could also add some of the info from Wolfgang Shirmacher (sp?) page as well, that would round out the article nicely... Cognos 16:25, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep The school has a rather interesting concept, the professors who actually teach there (watch the videos) are beyond doubt, Switzerland has a strong reputation for providing a high quality education (not to mention the breathtaking mountains, chocolate and Swiss cheese), the school is operating successfully for several years, it is private however (which is not obvious in Europe) - and therefore it is quite clear that such a concept can be a thorn in the eye of some people. personally i doubt however, that other schools, wikipedia editors, or users will find a similar (high profile) faculty or such an innovative concept somewhere else. the article should be expanded instead - following the templates/models provided by other universities. As for the Baudrillard entry it must be said that the Baudrillard archive there is the most complete archive of Baudrillard texts i have ever seen (the other one would be the Baudrillard on the Web at www.uta.edu) deleting the link to the egs faculty page would actually violate the spirit of Wikipedia and is (at least in my eyes) a clear NPOV case. Philophob 18:26, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep I also attend this school, actually i came from south america to follow the seminars with this great pool of teachers (if you happen to know anything about cinema or philosophy you will get blown with the names of people that EGS gathers) I live in Switzerland since i came to the school. I was very surprised by this topic but as someone said this is a very avantgarde model institution, inheriteing a lot from open source models of peer knowledge production so no wonder why few might get confused. Today its around 200 students. EGS is a one of a kind place and has a lot to show and develop from its potential, wikipedia is part of this peer2peer model of education and as far as i see it there shall be even more work on this pages, i will post on the student mailing list inviting them to come in and help improve the contents even with their student pages and their notes from classes as it should be keeping record from what many of what this great minds have said in our seminars and that might never get to be published anywhere else. I think there are already many other good reasons explained above so i will stop here, KEEP, :) Alejo 14:32, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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