Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/European Federation

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was merge. Johnleemk | Talk 15:39, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] European Federation

I can't quickly google any usage of "European Federation" as it is used in this article, strongly suggesting that it is original research. Also, the lede for the article, The European Federation is a hypothetical future federal state encompassing the continent of Europe, brings "WP:NOT a pair of crystal WP:BALLS" to mind. (See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Republic of Europe for a similar AfD) Delete. -- Thesquire (talk - contribs) 19:38, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as per nom. Bhoeble 19:47, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to European integration Astrotrain 20:03, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect per Atrotrain. —This user has left wikipedia 20:07 2006-01-25
• merge into European integration (as that needs more info) --LeftyG 22:14, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to United States of Europe this is closest to the view and name of the article. While we're not a crystal ball, we do need to have articles on major political themes. The idea of a federal europe is often discussed in the UK press and politics. --Salix alba (talk) 01:34, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect to United States of Europe. Stifle 09:50, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
• Merge with United States of Europe (a much better article) under the name Federal Europe. This is because a Federal Europe is an oft-discussed political concept; but United States of Europe or European Federation seem like hypothetical proper names for a much more specific imaginary entity, so I think the article should have the more general name. Robin Johnson 09:58, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Yes I agree merge to Federal Europe --Salix alba (talk) 14:09, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
  • This isn't a vote, just a comment: If you people want to merge it to something, merge it to an article called European federalism, which is afterall an existing ideology, while both "Federal Europe", "European Federation" or whatever, are mere hypothetical guesswork names describing the end-product. Aris Katsaris 16:35, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
    • I wasn't thinking of "Federal Europe" being a possible name of the end product. United States of Europe or Republic of Europe are both possible names for the single speculated entity that is a (small-f) federal Europe; European federalism isn't. Robin Johnson 11:07, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

• Comment by relister: There seems to be a general consensus that this needs to be redirected (and possibly merged). The question is, where do we redirect (and possibly merge) this article? --Deathphoenix 14:34, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

• • merge with United States of Europe and move to European federalism --Salix alba (talk) 14:45, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
• Merge with United States of Europe. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 14:53, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
• Merge with United States of Europe under a more general name. To repeat what I said up there, I prefer Federal Europe, the hypothetical state itself (not a proper name for the state) to European federalism, the 'ism' behind it; I suspect that would be redundant with European integration. Robin Johnson 15:59, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
  • The reason I prefer European federalism is that its an idea rather than an actual thing which Federal Europe would imply. There is a destinct diference between federalism and intergration, federalism being one particular type of intergration. --Salix alba (talk) 16:32, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
• Merge with United States of Europe move to European federalism; Federal Europe seems like just one more name for a possible manifestation of the idea, European federalism would be about the idea driving these various proposals. -- Thesquire (talk - contribs) 17:50, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
• Merge with United States of Europe ComputerJoe 09:04, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.