Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ethnophobia

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The result of the debate was delete. BLANKFAZE | (что??) 21:22, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ethnophobia

This recently created page is a POV loudspeaker for a basically nonexistent condition which on first view is another form of xenophobia, but on closer reading is the exact opposite. In its present form, it is an unsustainable neologism. Hence: Delete. JFW | T@lk 00:38, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• Delete, POV essay. Tygar 06:14, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect to Xenophobia. My first impression of the name was that it was some type of fear of ethnic groups. The article content is of course the opposite however I think a redirect in this case to xenophobia would suffice. Original article looks like a POV essay. Megan1967 07:24, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, original research and POV rant --Angr 08:03, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• If you delete this article now, it shall just have to be rewritten in the near future, since the concept is spreading rapidly and through the force of it's popularity will soon warrant an explanation. I strongly disagree with JFW on the character of the point of view, so much so that I really have to doubt his or her sincerity of opinion. Any person of reasonable intelligence must see that the article is not written from a partisan point of view. It simply states what is objectively true about how the concept is used and understood by those who underwrite it. Thus: Keep it, User:Weowe 11:11, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • If and when it warrants an explanation, we can have an article about it then. Right now there's no evidence that this concept is one actually used in the discourse, only evidence that someone ("those who underwrite it") thinks it should be. -- Antaeus Feldspar 20:05, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect to xenophobia. If the concept really does have an explosion in popularity (dubious), then a separate article may be justified. But not right now. -- FP 11:05, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. POV rant. Android79 15:14, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Currently a POV rant. Even if that were cleaned up, it would still be a neologism. --BM 15:20, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Gets fewer hits than "Evil reptilian kitten-eater from another planet" and most of those are using it as a synonym for "xenophobia." Meanwhile, I think this says a lot about whether the article was created to reflect the discourse or to try and steer it: "Ethnophobia so far is not a very well known term, though having been around for quite a while. However, to users of it this only confirms whe widespread nature of the phenomenon." Of course. And the existence of Feminazis is only confirmed by the fact that no one except Rush Limbaugh uses the term. -- Antaeus Feldspar 20:05, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. POV!! --Neigel von Teighen 20:07, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Delete and redirect to Xenophobia. This goes somewhat past POV into extremist propaganda. Completely unsalvageable. Haikupoet 01:44, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• A google search turned up enough serious uses in different venues to make me question whether this is still a neologism. Here, Jeffrey Hart of the National Review claims to have coined the word in 1987. However, there were only 108 unique hits so it's not yet in wide use. The definitions used in the articles I checked were serious but not consistent. None of the ones I checked exactly matched the definition presented in this article. Delete. Rossami (talk) 23:58, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Delete content but Keep term and write new article ... as the current article is a) factually wrong (see below) and b) in whole unsubstantiated by reference material (a definite requirement in this case I would suggest). However, the term is legitimate and its correct meaning a valid concept for Wikipedia; I don't think a redirect to Xenophobia is warranted as the concepts are not synonymous, Racism being a more closely related term. I agree with Rossami that it appears to have become a legitimate term and it is used to describe the several conflicts that occur within national boudaries between disparate ethnic groups. Many of the uses of the term are in the context of the Chenya-Russia conflict. In my brief searching of uses of the term in context I did not run across a specific definition, but the examples explored in which the term occurs contradict the Ethnophobia author's definition. The author states: "Usually, it is used to denote a perceived irrational fear by minority groups ... towards their host society." This is simply untrue and implies that there is such a thing as a "host society" and a guest minority" (my term, not from the article) which in turn implies one group present by right and the other by the forbearance of the "host", which is in itself inherently POV. As a disclaimer, this is all based on at-the-moment webresearch. I think a sociology &/or political science expert need to write the article. Oh, almost forgot, types of sources where the term is found include http://wwics.si.edu/ees/special/2001/msmirn.pdf, http://www.oah.org/pubs/nl/2001may/bernstein.html, http://www.rand.org/publications/CF/CF130/CF130ch3.pdf, http://www.springerlink.com/app/home/contribution.asp?wasp=4ngvvgqhxh05lu7pnqt1&referrer=parent&backto=issue,10,11;journal,28,29;linkingpublicationresults,1:102902,1 , and http://www.osce.org/documents/sg/2003/06/270_en.pdf (I've tried to select things from non-fringe sources). Courtland 04:37, 2005 Mar 10 (UTC)
  • I think you may be reading too much into the usage of the term "host society", especially since you put "guest minority" in quotes as if it occurred in the article, which it doesn't. (I've clarified this in the commentary above Courtland 18:33, 2005 Mar 10 (UTC)) There's nothing inherently POV about the suggestion that when friction exists between a minority within a society and the society at large, that some portion of that friction may originate in the attitudes of the minority towards the society, rather than just the attitudes of the society at large towards the minority. However, as you suggested, I think we need someone expert in the field to tell us whether there is a term that is consistently meant to indicate this concept -- "ethnophobia" is not that term, since uses of it to mean "xenophobia" seem to outnumber uses of it in the sense stated by the article. -- Antaeus Feldspar 16:52, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect (no merge) to xenophobia, since that's how the term is actually used by real people. — Gwalla | Talk 04:58, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Utterly worthless. Redirect to xenophobia to discourage recreation - David Gerard 00:12, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Please delete this POV BS. Edeans 19:33, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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