Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Esquimaux

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete (and create redirect to Inuit). CitiCat ^♫ 19:07, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Esquimaux

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• Vanity page of a nonnotable band with releases from equally nonnotable garage label `'Míkka 17:37, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - Don't seem to meet WP:BAND in spite of the pregnant breathy vocals. Two EPs and an online album do not an article make (regardless of FTP transfer rates). --WebHamster 19:16, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
• Doesn't meet WP:MUSIC, but perhaps someday. The only press I see is an LA Times article with a picture of the band, but the article appears to be about the club and not the band at all (thus making it a trivial mention). Speedy redirect to Inuit as this is a historically relevant term. bikeable (talk) 19:23, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletions. -- the wub "?!" 19:52, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
• No chance of meeting WP:MUSIC right now. Bikeable's redirect to Inuit is an excellent idea. Tony Fox (arf!) 21:01, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
• Redirect to Inuit as that's what I thought it would be when I first clicked the link. -- Roleplayer 08:55, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
• Maybe you guys haven't heard of us, but that doesn't mean we should be replaced by a redirect. We have the top search result in Google for the term 'Esquimaux' We've collaborated with Gary Jules and Brian Gibson from Lightning Bolt (both have entries on Wikipedia) and we're recording a new record with Steve Albini (engineered Nirvana, Pixies, Breeders, etc, and he also has a Wikipedia entry) and the drummer of Stroke 9. I'm not trying to gloat, I know we're a little indie band, but I wouldn't say we're trivial. We've also been played on nationally syndicated radio shows like Nic Harcourt's "Becomes Eclectic" show (also has a Wikipedia page).`'user:Esquimaux 16:47, 7 September 2007

• Esquimaux, sorry you feel attacked in this, but please don't. We're simply trying to uphold wp standards for bands, which are clearly spelled out in WP:BAND. The number of non-existent or completely trivial bands (i.e., they played once in their garage) who write articles about themselves here is incredible, so we have a rigorous set of standards to make sure that only bands that are "encyclopedic" are listed -- not up-and-coming, and not "maybe". Take a look at the standards, and if any apply, add the documentation to the page. It looks to me that, with no press to speak of, and no widely-released albums, you're not there yet -- although I wish you luck getting there soon. Albini records a lot of stuff, but an album with him on a prominent indie label would probably satisfy WP:BAND. When that's out, someone can come back and add the article (ideally not you; see WP:COI). Meanwhile, don't take deletion too hard, it's not personal; and best of luck. bikeable (talk) 22:02, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

• -sigh- Understood. I'll let it go. Just keep in mind that many bands/singer-songwriters aren't being released on "record labels" anymore... like our friend Gary Jules for example, they are releasing under their own fictitious label and getting distribution through CDBaby, iTunes, Napster, etc. It's a DIY culture right now, and bands are following suit. Hollywood Records is even trying to market some of their new artists on YouTube with fake Internet camera POV music videos to look like what other indie bands are doing. There was just an article in SPIN magazine about the DIY Baltimore music scene, mentioning that many bands in this and the Providence, RI areas are recording songs directly on laptops and are evolving within art scenes rather than music scenes. I understand the WP:BAND standards, but I also think that they are not entirely accurate in measuring the success of a band in this day and age. I concede that we're not there yet, and I take no offense to the issue (I figured I was walking into a hornets nest by posting our own band history - which is lame in and of itself). But, we did get charted on college radio charts and debuted in the top 20 in Arizona (for what that's worth). Cheers, all. Delete it. Hopefully we'll be more credible this time next year.  ;-) `'user:Esquimaux 22:35, 7 September 2007

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