Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Esmée Denters

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 06:54, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Esmée Denters

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Internet singing "star". Delete as non-notable per WP:MUSIC, article also contains violations of WP:CRYSTAL. RJASE1 ^Talk 08:24, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

• Comment. She's currently also in Belgian news. That alone does not make her encyclopedic enough to be kept, but this should be mentioned nonetheless. Sijo Ripa 10:48, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
• As the original author of the article, I oppose the nomination with the following considerations: the subject is legitimately noteworthy as may be seen from the citations in the text. That she is a popular entertainer is borne out by her fan base and her notoriety in her own country (Holland). Will she be as famous as Madonna or even the Numa Numa guy, who knows? The subject is a project in the works - maybe we should place a "current events" notice instead of a deletion notice! And another thing: More proof of her fan base is here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfSWCbUSd_o Is this fan devotion or what? Verne Equinox 16:17, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. Most internet memes, even the ones that get some news coverage, do little except maybe get some people to put up fansites. This one is actually getting record companies seriously interested. She's at the cusp of a historic moment in the music industry, as it tries to figure out whether Myspace and Youtube popularity will translate to the real world. This gives her lasting notability even if her nascent career doesn't take off. --Groggy Dice T | C 18:03, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. As Groggy put it so well, she might be famous someday if her popularity translates into RW. Wikipedia will be around when and if that happens. Galf 22:11, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. She's clearly gotten some media coverage, and the points raised by Groggy Dice are right on - her notability is not merely proportionate to her success, but is based on the importance of the phenomenon she represents.Sarcasticidealist 22:30, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
• Neutral. Jessica Lee Rose (lonelygirl15) was up for deletion as well. The wiki community chose to keep her bio. Geriatric1927 also has his bio on wiki for six months now. Ms. Denter's is currently the 18th most subscribed to person and is the 41st most watched person ever on YouTube - all achieved solely on her own merit in 6 months. One of her original songs "Anything is Possible" is the most watched (over 1.4 million times) songs of any unsigned recording artists on YT. She's been watched nearly 10 million times. She is referenced on over 90,000 places on the web (google her). Is it unusual to have Billy Mann a top 10 rated U.S. record producer travel to a small town in the Netherlands to meet a and sign a non-native english speaking R&B YouTube singer? Even the record labels are reportedly puzzled over the metrics of measuring notability of popular artists emerging from their bedrooms online. Heck, even KrucialKeys (Krucial Brothers and Alicia Keys) are reaching out to connect with their fan base with homemade video interviews (something Ms. Denters has an apparent handle on). Ms. Denters has been the subject of at least 14 known Dutch newspaper articles (all the leading ones included), has been on at least 4 major Dutch TV shows (the dutch fans also translate and subtitle the shows for us non-dutch speaking folks), on Dutch radio, gets a major Reuters/Billboard article written about her and her plans in the music biz, etc. Not just an article on the internet, but then to have this non-english speaking YouTube singer find herself on the cover of BillBoard Magazine, March 3rd, as the inset story? Kelly Rowland formerly of Destiny's Child even had Ms. Denters record one of Ms. Rowland's new songs she wrote. This may be Ms. Denters’ first single release (speculating). However, my opinion is just that Ms. Denters has caused a laser sharp focus in the music business in regards to the metrics of popularity and the transformation to record sales and distribution methods. All that said, I half-heartly agree with the wiki editors that the article should be considered for deletion - but not because of her notability, just because I think the article is premature and there is scant evidence on the actual mark on history she may have. I guess it comes down to what is notable vs. what is popular - I leave that to you folks. I just wanted to respond with some of the facts about Ms. Denters’ 6 month career. Jsfunfun 22:43, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - Has gained a tremendous following (Jsfunfun describes her populartiy in great detail). One of the more popular youtube stars to emerge. For those that care for WP:BIO, she's been primary subject of a recent Reuters article [1]. , was featured heavily (not just a "passing mention") in another Reuters article by a different author [2] and was profiled and inteviewed in the respected Dutch newspaper de Volkskrant [3]. --Oakshade 00:53, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
• comment I think the real question is how far down the Youtube rankings we want to go. The top 1% is a narrower criterion than usual, but here it translates to tens of thousands of articles.is a lot of articles. If it the top 0.01%, she apparently qualifies. I know this is not really a individualized approach, and I am not !voting, but numbers help focus things. DGG 02:30, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep as she passes WP:BIO, especially since she's from YouTube. —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 03:18, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. The 2 Reuters sources alone establish notability; add to that everything mentioned by Jsfunfun, and it's clear she passes WP:BIO. -- Black Falcon 07:04, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
• weak Keep. Article needs cleanup, citations and tone modification. But it does seem to pass Notability.--ZayZayEM 02:50, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.