Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Entropy Sites

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete.  (aeropagitica)  (talk)  17:24, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Entropy Sites

A list of not particularly notable websites. All listed websites are run by the same individual. Nonsuch 22:26, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as much as the web sites look interesting to me (A chemist by training) they are obviously just an advertisement for non-notable webs sites.--Nick Y. 00:28, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per Nick Y. I have added the links to the 4 web sites to Entropy which is where, if anywhere, they should be. If the regulars there like them, they will stay. If they do not they will be removed. --Bduke 01:15, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete. Linkspam. -- Jheald 01:20, 27 June 2006 (UTC).
• Delete per nom. Yevgeny Kats 04:56, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
• Do NOT delete this page!User: Frank Lambert (A novice to writing in Wikipedia, I have just learned how to write a page and inserted a 'user biog' under FrankLambert.)I had nothing to do with the creation of this page of Entropy Sites, and was not aware of this listing until now, although I am the author of the sites. I must differ with their being "not notable"! They were written -- as are my articles in the Journal of Chemical Education to aid beginners in chemistry and laypersons not in science.

As you can check (in the "what's new" of www.entropysite.com, this site (and those related to it) are not trivial or ordinary websites. The ideas in them and the articles cited (and reproduced by permission) in www.entropysite.com have resulted in a complete deletion of "order-disorder" in most new editions of US first-year university textbooks,15 as of 2006. This is a revolution in the teaching of entropy to beginners in chemistry. The replacement is the approach of 'entropy is a measure of the energy dispersal in a process'.

Later today, I will justify the reason for (whoever suggested!)the existence of this unit, Entropy Sites. As a novice, I would greatly appreciate your suggestions and ask for advice as to how to proceed to bring these changes to the major pages of Wikopedia dealing with the second law and entropy. It is a half-century overdue for 'order-disorder' to be discarded and a modern conceptual view of entropy change presented. (That does NOT mean any change in thermo! It means that thermodynamicists should be aided to speak understandably to the naive as well as to the math advantaged.)Thx.for your aid -- emails would be most time/space economical: flambert@att.net .

Response You have not provided any compelling reason to have an article dedicated to your websites. The merits of the contents isn't the issue at hand. The question is, should there be two articles in wikipedia dedicated to these marginally notable sites? The current consensus of disinterested editors is that there should not. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. 'Wikipedia articles should not exist only to describe the nature, appearance or services a website offers'. Nonsuch 19:27, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

As I note above, I have added the links to the Entropy article, but discussion on the talk page is not positive to keeping them or at least keeping all of them. Sorry, Frank, I welcome your contributions to teaching thermo to students, but I have to agree with Nonsuch that these two articles are not appropriate on WP. --Bduke 23:48, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Response Two articles? I ran into only this "Entropy Sites". Of course "Wikipedia_ is_not_an_indiscriminate_collection_of_information" ideally, but it certainly should contain vital information about the changed interpretation of entropy for students and pros. I have no time to argue to help W -- so delete what you want to. Thanks to Bduke for including (correct!) URLs -- can I properly order them and give a sentence of explanation for each? I'll do so, but delete whatever you wish.

Now, as to a more important insertion about which I would appreciate your joint advice: The Entropy article is well-organized and well-written standard presentation. I do not want to make any changes in it, but I believe an insertion of a dozen lines is essential -- in a box, or somehow set off after the intro. They would outline the reason for the demise of 'order-disorder' in chemistry instruction with the resultant simplification of a scientific view of entropy for all levels of interested individuals. Could you give me a clue as to typographical symbols for such a box? Even better, is there any way I can submit the material to knowledgeable thermo editors for approval or rejection before laboring on learning the wikipedia format? Thanks for your aid. Frank Lambert, 28 June.

Yes, put what you want to say on Talk:Entropy and see what arises. Indeed I think you should move this debate there right now and not clutter up this discussion on deletion of an article. --Bduke 03:01, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

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