Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Entarians

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result wasspeedy massive hoax `'mikka 20:49, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Entarians

Entarians (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Blatant hoax created by User:Vunvjorhimm, who aside from creating these pages also makes nonsense edits like [1][2] about "Čosånian" or "Entarian" (which appears to be a World of Warcraft guild [3]. Otherwise terms get no google hits, except for Entari since it's a Turkish word for a kind of dress/robe.. I am also nominating the following related pages:

Entarian language (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
Koreanic Peoples (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
Entarian Dominion (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
Entarian (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
Čosån (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Thanks, cab 03:25, 29 March 2007 (UTC) (third and fourth articles added at 04:50, 29 March 2007 (UTC)) (fifth article added at 04:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC))

  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Korea-related deletions. -- cab 03:25, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - per nom. I almost nominated first article listed for a CSD but requested an expert examine it. Fails WP:V and WP:N. Morenooso 03:37, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Thought about speedying it, but given the nature of the creator's editing, I doubted the tags would survive long enough. (I was also under the impression that hoaxes aren't speediable? Never really was sure). cab 04:50, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Speedy Delete - Hoax. --Bryson 18:03, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Speedy Delete Joke article. Acalamari 19:12, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - delete as hoax. --Haemo 22:01, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Do Not Delete Hello! There is indeed a guild named "Entarian Dominion" in World of Warcraft, and I'm pretty sure it is related to Entarians (Koreanic ethnicity living nowadays in Russia and Kazakhstan), which are also falsely being refered to as "Koryo Sarami". This is an unacknowledged ethnicity, however I have met actual descendants of Entarians in the United States and in Kazakhstan. I studied Entarian from very few remaining speakers, and it resembles many word similarities with Korean. Please do not make false conclusions. Do not support if you don't have enough knowledge, but do not disprove the topic either if you don't have ample evidence to state Entarians (Hentarissarmi) have never existed as a group. Thank you. Vunvjorhimm 23:19, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, hopefully this article will draw attention of specialists specializing in anthropology/history, and they will contribute to impovement/correction of the information. HENTAR in Entarian means "one", in Korean HAN means the same thing. RIS is dominion/area/realm/territory in Entarian; best equivalent for this word in Korean would be Sino-Korean GUG, which means country, state. In Korean Entaria would be HANGUG, but it has little to do with modern South Korea. Please read carefully the history of Korea to make sure nothing is contradicting. If you are interested in more information and the sources of it, ask me, I am ready to answer all the questions to the best of my knowledge. Be more critical. Thanks again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vunvjorhimm (talk • contribs) 23:34, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Note Vunvjorhimm made this post. [4] --Bryson 00:37, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep in entarian hen is one, and hentar means adjective. Thank you for bringing up information about entarian kingdom, i will support as i can because i myself have entarian heritage. Komabs, dunn char gilen entarissarmie changikem ibni! Dansei e-mail nae musli dyreo. Hessosuwonae 00:08, 30 March 2007 (UTC) — Hessosuwonae (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. cab 02:32, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • KEEP I have never heard of Entarians before, but I'm pretty sure the author isn't just vandalizing Wiki. He just wants to let the world know about Entarians and their ancient kingdoms. How many ethnicities in the world and in Europe in particular have been exterminated or vanished? You don't even know of their existence, so be constructive and don't disregard History. Danke. (Respect to Vunn) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 153.90.117.3 (talk) 00:15, 30 March 2007 (UTC). — 153.90.117.3 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. cab 02:32, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, looks like a hoax. Tim.bounceback (talk • contribs • count) 00:23, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Definitely! How can people say it is a "hoax", if according to Wikipedia A hoax is an attempt to trick an audience into believing that something false is real. I personally do not believe that Entarians aren't real. Read above, there are actual Entarians, and they also don't think they aren't real... Wiki is created so readers know more about new things, not to spit off something they can't understand or unable to know. Don't be vandals of the Knowledge. Vun, try asking Korean department in Russian universities, they might know. Don't give up. Good job. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Flyingdannish (talk • contribs) 00:33, 30 March 2007 (UTC). — Flyingdannish (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. cab 02:32, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Wow Holly Sock Puppets Bat Man!--Bryson 00:39, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Redirect to World of warcraft. Individual guilds are not generally notable. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Carolfrog (talk • contribs) 01:01, 30 March 2007 (UTC).
  • Keep and Develop. User cab writes: "Blatant hoax created by User:Vunvjorhimm, who aside from creating these pages also makes nonsense edits like about "Čosånian" or "Entarian" (which appears to be a World of Warcraft guild". Well, I think by "Čosånian" the Author meant "Of Joseon", and this kingdom was real. I followed the link and read the site of WoW guild Entarian Dominion and look what I found: "The name is taken from one ancient Korean kingdom..." [1], make sure you read About the Guild section. I think the author and the developers of the information section on Entarians deserve attention and support, rather than simplistic deletion of the material. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.90.116.50 (talk • contribs) 01:26, 30 March 2007 (UTC) — 153.90.116.50 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. cab 02:32, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Note both 153.90.116.50 and 153.90.117.3 are IP's from United States [City: Bozeman, Montana], Montana State University. [5] and [6].--Bryson 01:37, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • I have found some even written references to support existance of Entarian Dominion. Please tell me how I can provide them! (I am not familiar with the coding much.)Vunvjorhimm 01:45, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
    • The last time you tried "adding references" [7], it took about 5 seconds with Google Books to tell it was a hoax, so now you're adding Russian books we can't check so easily. Mildly clever. cab 02:32, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • If my article will get deleted, the only conclusion a reasonable reader can make of it is that the users and administrators of Wikipedia can only rely on something that's easily accessible via internet, and they don't want to acknowledge something that is out there... Or may be someone wants to venture forth to Eastern Siberia and search for material findings, make system of them, and objectively describe what was it, Entarian Dominion. Entarians were basically (if not completely exterminated) deprived from their identity, their culture was disregarded, and the research done in the area was most likely biased. No one knows that Japanese archaeologists were digging in the area and how did they view Koreanics? Were they interested in disclosing any data from the northern Manchuria? May be so that Entarians won't have legacy to be acknowledged as a group forever in the history, that is being written by... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vunvjorhimm (talk • contribs) 01:52, 30 March 2007 (UTC).
  • Please, remember the name of Entarian Dominion. I give up here in Wikipedia, because there is too much counterlogical resistance. If only our World had more critical rather than robotic thinkers... Peace to all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vunvjorhimm (talk • contribs) 02:03, March 30 2007 (UTC)
  • cab, we are in an argument, but it is formal only, nothing personal. So, let us be constructive, rather than destructive. I would like to establish a dialogue directly with you or other administrator of Wikipedia. If i need to provide sources, translate information from a non-english language, let me know how. Hope our dispute will be fixed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vunvjorhimm (talk • contribs) 02:45, 30 March 2007 UTC
  • KEEP I have figured out the way to provide internet sources. Now I am trying to link books correctly. The process is on its way, I'd suggest the critics to search information about Entarians. Since the former territory of Entarian Dominion lies entirely in Russian Federation, Russian sources seem to me more relevant. Vunvjorhimm 03:33, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
    • More horseshit. [8] never even mentions Entarians, it's just a Tatar historian writing about the history of Kipchaks, etc. Turkic peoples. This is really sad. cab 04:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • HOAX. Closing admin note: THIS IS A HOAX. "Entarian writing... did not have any commonly-accepted standard, and usually only the authors knew the meaning of their symbols." Mmmmmkay.... Herostratus 03:55, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • "Оттуда берет начало та культура, которая дала начало многим народам — финно-уграм, корейцам, тюркам..." on the site you've said to be dedicated to "Kipchaks". Now I have an idea what ... are the Wikipedia's admins. Wikipedia is NOT a reliable source at all, no independent thought at all. You can only lick the covers of the books written by those who cut the first paths. You better know the history of your ancestors... oh wait, yes, you can't rely on what your parents tell you because what's written in some published book is "more reliable". :) Apex of intelligence indeed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vunvjorhimm (talk • contribs) 04:15, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Right, so the fact that Adzhiev's page about Turkic peoples mentions Koreans (and Finno-Ugric peoples) once somehow proves the existence of "Entarians". Got it, thanks so much for the clarification. cab 04:47, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Oh, you're so welcome :-P —Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.90.125.166 (talk • contribs) 04:59, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • KEEP Please Keep and it should be expanded We will see how it develops, wait a while and then re-visit the issue. Jegal 22:57, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.