Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ensamble Gurrufío
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep both. Majorly (o rly?) 21:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Ensamble Gurrufío
Doesn't seem to be sufficiently notable, as all of their releases were independent releases (self-releases?). Delete unless notability shown. --Nlu (talk) 04:52, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- Note: I am also nominating related-article Cheo Hurtado (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) for deletion for the same reason. --Nlu (talk) 04:52, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletions. -- SkierRMH 05:14, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. One of the releases, El Trabadedos, is identified as Sony/Independent (released both by Sony and by an independent label - the source shows two different album covers) and El Cruzao is identified as Independent/Dorian. Dorian was a "classical audiophile" record label in Albany, New York filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in 2005. http://www.audaud.com/audaud/JAN-FEB05/news/newsjan19.html So I think it passes the two albums on real labels rule. Even if it doesn't, eight albums over 11 years is pretty impressive. And the review in the New York Times at http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9904E7DB1439F935A35751C1A962958260 is a further proof of notability. --Eastmain 05:33, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. Whoever (User:NIu) nominated this article for deletion is basing such proposition on just an assumption, not on actual experience. I quote: "Doesn't seem to be sufficiently notable". In contrast, I have watched Gurrufío in actual performance, several times. I wrote the article (which is still incomplete) on the basis of the extraordinary brilliance and quality of the ensemble in question (and I've been to concerts worldwide, I assure you), and as a musician I know what I'm talking about. But don't believe me. Ask a celebrated musician, such as Leo Brouwer, or Carlos Barbosa-Lima, or Alirio Díaz, what do they think of the Ensamble Gurrufío. You would be surprised. I don't see the point in your reasoning about "their releases were independent releases": so what? Moreover, I hope to have news soon, as I am in contact with the group, and plan to add a wealth of additional information, and will ask their persmission to upload sound clippings to Wikimedia Commons. After you have liestened to them, I guess you'll change your mind about this article's deletion. The same goes for the article on Cheo Hurtado. Regards, --AVM 01:16, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
- Whether their releases are independent releases is highly relevant under the WP:MUSIC notability criteria. Using information from the group itself to establish notability contravenes the requirement that the information be independently verified. In any case, whether the group is notable or not, the article itself, when I nominated it, did not establish the notability. --Nlu (talk) 19:14, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
- The purpose for procuring information from the group itself is not "to establish notability", but to enrich the article with additional information, practically unavailable elsewhere; and, as already mentioned, to obtain permission to use recorded materials. Thank you for the reference to Wikipedia's notability criteria. I'll study it and abide by its postulates. --AVM 20:51, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
- Whether their releases are independent releases is highly relevant under the WP:MUSIC notability criteria. Using information from the group itself to establish notability contravenes the requirement that the information be independently verified. In any case, whether the group is notable or not, the article itself, when I nominated it, did not establish the notability. --Nlu (talk) 19:14, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
