Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Enoch Moore

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 11:01, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Enoch Moore

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Possibly notable pioneer, article sources lost during page moves.

Partly procedural: At first glance, the subject of this article would seem important as an early pioneer of the European settlement of the area. However, the sources for this page were lost along with the early page history during some rather unclear page moves. The article obviously cannot stay without them, and I myself have no information on the subject. I ask some admin who knows how to retrieve the sources, so the article can be properly restored and discussed. . -- or perhaps the orig. ed who added the article still has the information. We have been discussing similar bios, & it would be a good time to clear the status of this one if possible. I cannot say which way it should go without knowing the sources. If restoring them is for some reason impossible, then of course it should be deleted. DGG 03:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

• The history of the article is in Inky Moore. There never were any sources in the article itself. There is only one online reference to this person - the link is on your talk page. Resurgent insurgent 03:10, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

From the note left on my talk page, the ref referred to is [1] (he's no. 160). which must obviously have been compiled from other sources. I am not in the least disputing about this article, just discussing it-- I have been puzzled by it, because it was obviously written from sources along with a number of other bios on Moores by User:Podiatrist, and I cant figure out where. (How the history got to be under Inky Moore is something I never did understand, but no matter), So i'd like to ask in public, and have it settled. If I ever have the time in some future year, I may try to find the real sources myself & either add or recreate depending on what the status of this article is by then. because it does seem obvious that a leader of an obviously historical rebellion should be notable and must have sources somewhere beyond the link above. But not my main interest in life. DGG 03:52, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

It's a sad comment on Canada, if you can lead a rebellion and still not be notable. Should this not be on the Canadian-related list? Johnbod 04:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

• Delete as non-notable even given the era of his life. He's #55 in the page DGG linked to, not #160. (The WP:V pundits won't like it that the page is hosted on some ISP's personal web server and is likely to be self-published, but that is another matter for another time.) The writer of that page appears to have done much research, but assuming everything on the page is accurate, nowhere is he claimed to have been a "leader of the rebels" in any battle. So that info is unsourced. Under "notable events: military" his only notable event was "his service in the 1812-14 War with the Americans" and allegedly getting land in return for said service. Thus his best reliable claim to notability is only an unspecified role in another battle, which is not close to notability even in that era. Other things he did include being jailed, sentenced to death, moving residence several times, and owning about 500 acres of land, none of which are notable activities in themselves. Resurgent insurgent 04:13, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete not everything old is notable. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 14:31, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Of course, but once notable, they remain so. If he was a notable revolutionary in the 19th century, he remains so. I think getting sentenced to death for treason is generally notable, even if not executed. But agreed that this part is not currently documented. DGG 00:39, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

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