Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Emulators unlimited

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete - as has been pointed out, WP:WEB requires coverage that is directly related to the subject. Some of the 'coverage' presented here by the keep side doesn't even mention the website, only the emulator, whose article is not up for discussion here. --Sam Blanning(talk) 17:45, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Emulators unlimited

I don't believe this website meets WP:WEB. Now don't get me wrong the emulator UltraHLE which they helped distribute widely is (or at least was) notable, no question about it. The website however is not. I suppose we could redirect to UltraHLE but then again, I'd rather have even that choice confirmed through AfD since I've been in disagreement with the creator (and sole editor) of the page. The search "emulators unlimited" on Google returns about 10K hits, not bad but then again not so good given they've existed for 10 years and that of the first 1K hits, only 260 are unique [1]. More problematic is that searching those links I could not find any solid third party references. Pascal.Tesson 21:09, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

  • I dont feel that this reason for deletion is appropriate, wikipedia is meant to be based for things also in the past, just because the website isnt as popular now as in its heyday, doesnt mean that during the times your question, that it wasnt a huge aspect of why UltraHLE was popular and infact released and a solid piece of emulation history which provided emulator homepages for its authors to use, without any financial gain.

I am the webmaster of emuunlim.com and any questions on why you dont think that this (alongside other websites included such as Zophars Domain) shouldnt reside on wikipedia please ask, whether you feel that the website didnt have any significance on the emulation/internet regarding media attention and regarding UltraHLE, is souly down to your judgement at this moment of time, im sure that Realityman (Gordon, UltraHLE) will vouch that we played a major part of changing history & bringing it into the forefront (myself being the first person to test it also) of the emulation fans and the media, if you need any more validation, contact Nintendo :)

want some validation? okay:

http://www.emuhq.com/idx/5/004/article/UltraHLE-In-the-Press-News-articles.html

http://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/02/03/n64_emulator_vanishes_after_lawsuit/

correction, the current search of "emuunlim" (emuunlim.com is the website) shows 126,000 on google and "emulators unlimited" shows 1,570,000.

thanks and keep up the great work on wiki! ste (fox)

Comment Well if you put quotes around "emulators unlimited" it's below a thousand. Note that the search without the quotes is meaningless since it will hit any page with the words "unlimited" and "emulators" in it. The search with the quote tells you that about 1 out of every 1500 of this million and a half hits is relevant to the website. As for the search for emuunlim, yes it does get a lot. Yet half of those are the pages from the site itself! [2] A quick look at the remainder of the hits shows that the site does not come close to meeting WP:WEB. Pascal.Tesson 20:15, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment The notability of UltraHLE isn't in question here (the links you gave solved that one pretty thoroughly). The link between emuunlim and UltraHLE is harder, and if I ask Realityman, he will probably say you were influential in the distribution of UltraHLE. Unfortunately, Some of Wikipedia's principles are Verifiability, not Truth and No Original Research, which means that we couldn't use his statements unless they were published in a third-party reliable source. We also couldn't contact Nintendo for this information for the same reason. ColourBurst 02:17, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom and WP:V. If "credible, third-party sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy" are found I will certainly revise my opinion. --Satori Son 02:11, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 AFD relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, Deathphoenix ʕ 03:52, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep the N64 emulator did get news coverage, besides the Register article, I found this [3] FrozenPurpleCube 04:06, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak delete per WP:V. "played a major part of changing history & bringing it into the forefront "??? If that claim were in the article I'd call WP:BOLLOCKS. Barno 12:55, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: Emulators Unlimited isn't even the focus of the story linked by Mr Manticore above; the story is about a lawsuit against another company, with later content describing the subsequent announcement of UltraHLE, mentioning that "it relies on illegally copied ROMs." Frankly, a hack based on illegal copying may easily get popularity among a small niche, but it needs real evidence of mainstream coverage to meet WP's standards. I read references to MIME (another game emulator) frequently, but if I ever heard of "Emulators Unlimited", it was in a throwaway context. Barno 13:05, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Commment I'd like to second the previous comment. Noone is contesting the notability of the emulators. We are contesting the notability of the website itself. Pascal.Tesson 13:15, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per Satori San. Vectro 18:09, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

lol :)

here is the UK's leading PC gaming magazine "PC Zone", covering my website etc in May 1999 just after UltraHLE was released:

(please scroll down to the part that says: "The Fox was interviewed by PC ZONE, the UK's biggest PC magazine. Who gave us the following three pages" and you should see three page scans)

http://www.emuunlim.com/about.php

IGN magazine covered it too, but need to dig that out :)

just as a snippet, Gremlin Graphics officially allowed emuunlim.com to host the back catalogue of their titles online:

http://gremlinworld.emuunlim.com/

and i interviewed Jeff Minter (creator of Tempest, Tempest 2000 and Llamatron):

http://pt.emuunlim.com/interview.htm

ESPN.com LINKS OF THE DAY: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/links/050801

- emuunlim (fox)

  • Keep Notable, and one of the bigger emulation sites out there. Also been mentioned in both internet press and paper press. Havok (T/C/c) 06:52, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete - Press coverage consists only of trivial mentions to the website in conjunction with the emulator. The articles linked-to only seem to attest to the notability of the emulator, not the site. The website deserves some mention in the emulator article, but there isn't enough independent info on the site to warrant an article of its own. Being "mentioned" and being "one of the bigger emulation sites" does not meet WP's criteria for sourcing and verifiability. Wickethewok 14:22, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. I've been well acquainted with emulators and emulation sites since about 1998, and the fact I've heard of UltraHLE but not this does not bode well. Anyway, all the press reports focus entirely on the emulator, with its host site being merely an incidental detail. GarrettTalk 22:19, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep per Havok. ---Vladimir V. Korablin (talk) 20:02, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.