Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Emmanuel A. Kissi

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The result was keep. John254 00:10, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Emmanuel A. Kissi

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Non-notable person outside of the Mormon church/cult. All references are primary to the LDS organization. Dougie WII (talk) 05:20, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

To began with to refer to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as a cult is just not acceptable dialogue. Beyond this, there are reviews of Dr. Kissi's history in many writtings, and the Encyclopedia of Latter-day Saint history was not controlled by him.Johnpacklambert (talk) 05:15, 19 April 2008 (UTC) The University of Utah is not controlled by the church in any way, and they still mentioned him in a publication. Grandpa Bill's General Authority pages are independent. Also the multiplicity of publications mentioning Kissi shows his inportance.Johnpacklambert (talk) 05:27, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Even Dialogue has reviewed Kissi's book. If this does not say his book has recieved reviews from intellectually independent sources I am not sure what does.Johnpacklambert (talk) 05:31, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep Ghana's Mormons were a special segment in PBS's documentary on the Mormons. Granted I think Billy Johnson was the one they interviewed. but Kissi is notable among them. Also there are clear issues of bias in the nomination. (Obviously against Mormons, less obviously concerning Third World issues. Ghana is not so "plugged into the Net" so sources from there might be harder.)--T. Anthony (talk) 05:39, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Weak keep although I'd like to see more independent sources. I did check into whether an area seventy was an office similar to a bishop, an office that is often considered inherently notable, and my determination is that he doesn't have equivalent authority (he sits on a council, the Third Quorum, made up of seventy senior priests; I would consider the First and Second Quorums to be notable and we have a number of articles on those.) I think he scrapes by as being a prominent person particularly in the context of Ghana, not necessarily worldwide. --Dhartung | Talk 06:44, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
I have found what appears to be an independent news source on Kissi in Ghana, but I have not found a way to see the whole article. If someone can figure that out it would help the article here on Kissi.Johnpacklambert (talk) 15:10, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
The bishop analogy is very odd, since in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Kissi definantly had a much higher standing than any bishop. We should also remember that as an Area Authority Seventy he was sustained in general conference. On the other hand, as a regional representative earlier he was in many respects the priesthood leader in all of Ghana. We also should not ignore the fact that for a year and a half he was the official head of the church in Ghana.Johnpacklambert (talk) 14:53, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep. Being an area seventy in the LDS Church is relatively notable within the church, as there are only about 300 or so in a church of 13 million members. I think perhaps his notability may arise especially from the fact that he is black African and one of the highest-ranking blacks ever in the LDS Church (the church has a fairly-recent post-civil rights era history of not treating blacks equally). From its language, the nomination could perhaps be presumed to be made with some degree of bias or not-100%-good faith. Agreed that non-LDS sources are needed, however. Good Ol’factory (talk) 10:28, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions. -- BelovedFreak 10:28, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Religion-related deletion discussions. -- BelovedFreak 10:28, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep per Dhartung & GO. Johnbod (talk) 13:22, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
  • None of the commenters has considered Dr. Kissi's book, which I think also makes him notable.Johnpacklambert (talk) 14:57, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep Seems notable if he was really head of the church in Ghana; I don't know about the area seventy thing and the Regional representative of the Twelve title didn't look to be as important as it sounded. But the head of a church within a country; particularly a black man who is a high-ranking Mormon, given the history, is notable. JEB90 (talk) 17:42, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep More sources have been added recently that are major entities with absolutely no affiliation with the LDS church, such as the Ghana News and University of Utah. However, it needs to be reworked. Many references seem to be thrown in just to have a reference. Statements like "I can't figure out how to access it, if someone else can that would be great" are not very encyclopedic, and should be on the talk page, not in the main article. Joshuajohanson (talk) 20:25, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
  • OK, keep per WP:SNOW, I still personally don't think this deserves an article but Wikipedia works on consensus, not my personal opinion. -- Dougie WII (talk) 23:48, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.