Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Emirates Cup

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus, default to Keep. Walton^One 14:45, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Emirates Cup

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Summer friendly competition to be held first this year. I think these competitions are not notable at all, there's no sense in keeping articles about an unofficial two-day "cup" with no history at all to be mentioned. Angelo 11:17, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

• Delete as nonnotable. It hasn't happened yet this year, and there is no precedent in past years in London, and there is no explanation why a two-day exhibition tournament is significant. I suspect an ulterior motive (I removed a section explaining how to buy tickets to the games). Shalom ^Hello 13:41, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
• This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. Paulbrock 13:44, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Non-notable friendly tournament (as opposed to the Amsterdam Tournament which is a well-known annual event). There must be hundreds of these for clubs at all levels. Number 57 14:05, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
• Keep This is not one of hundreds for clubs "at all levels", it is one of the tiny number that involve the elite clubs of world soccer. It is on just the same level as the Amsterdam Tournament. Golfcam 18:07, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

• And so? Are we gonna make an article for each single UEFA Champions League group because of the fact they involve "elite clubs"? This tournament has no history at all, and additionally it's not an official tournament, so it's much less notable than any single UEFA Champions League group. --Angelo 18:13, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
• It is clearly not on the same level as the Amsterdam Tournament as (a) it is not an annual event and (b) It carries a sponsors name and is therefore is at least partially an advertising opportunity rather than a "notable" tournament. Number 57 15:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

• Keep This is front rank football. It is irrelevant that it hasn't started yet, as it is certain to go ahead. This is more notable than say the Olympic sailing. Hawkestone 11:06, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

• A one-off summer friendly tournament more notable than an olympic event? I can't even think of where to begin replying to that. Number 57 15:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

• Delete - meaningless pre-season competition which will be virtually forgotten about as soon as the real League starts. - fchd 17:48, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
• Keep The clubs participating on this friendly tournament are notable, so the tournament will probably be notable as well. If throughout the tournament there is no media cover, what I doubt, then it will be not notable and could be deleted.--ClaudioMB 19:40, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete as per Richard Rundle and No 57. There are plenty of fully professional top flight turnaments worldwide lacking decent coverage and this tournament will probably be little more than a pre season kick about for the 2nd or 3rd team players of invited teams.King of the North East 20:19, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - meaningless pre-season tournament. HornetMike 22:28, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - If you are going to delete the meaningless tournaments, why not delete the VIVA World Cup as well Chaza1000 17:16, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - I've tried deleting that and the NF-Board stuff as well! - fchd 17:58, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete This is pre-season training that has a structure, i.e. a tournament basis, and notable teams taking part. This does not make the tournament itself notable. --Malcolmxl5 20:03, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
• Keep If you delete this, you should delete every single preseason tournament page, like the Amsterdam Tournament, Peace Cup, Barclays Asia Trophy 2007, and others. The ONLY difference is that this tournament is in its first year. It certainly has the elite teams the other ones have, will likely draw tens of thousands of fans, and will definitely be broadcast on European and American TV. I've been looking through the club competitions category for summer tournaments like this, so here's one user who definitely finds the information notable and useful.Mreleganza 11:15, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Arsenal intend for this tournament to run yearly and be for England what the Amsterdam Tournament is for Holland. However, if it only happens this year, it should be deleted after that is confirmed. Steveweiser 11:57, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Tickets for both days of this tournament have already sold out. Arsenal intends for this tournament to run yearly at a level on par of the Amsterdam Tournament (hence the structuring of the rules off of the Amsterdam Tournament). This is the first year, but this will constitute a major part of the pre-seasons for all four of these world-class clubs.
• Delete These trophies are simply pre-season friendly ("exhibition") events. There are many such tournaments internationally. I would also vote for deletion of any other similar tournaments which have ended up with articles. Robotforaday 21:24, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

• I've already voted, but if understand WP:Non-notability correctly, the most important baseline seems to be media coverage. The tournament is still over a week away, but already has 75 unique GoogleNews hits. Besides that, as noted, the event has sold out a 60,000+ seat stadium. I think some people are confusing unimportant with non-notable. Very clearly, many, many people are interested in this. Mreleganza 00:22, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

• Keep Quite simply because the Amsterdam Tournament has an article so deleting this one wouldn't be very consistant.Arrowny 12:51, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

  Classic case of why WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a good argument? Robotforaday 13:19, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

  WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not an official guideline, it's an essay. WP:Notability, on the other hand, is an official guideline, and the sold out tickets and media hits seem to put it on the "keep" side of that guideline. Again, I'm not seeing a lot of comments to why it's not important and not many on why it's not notable, as defined by WP, particularly if this is held annually as planned. Mreleganza 17:51, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

  WP:NOTE also says "Wikinews, not Wikipedia, is better suited to present topics receiving a short burst of present news coverage. Thus, this guideline properly considers the long-term written coverage of persons and events. In particular, a short burst of present news coverage about a topic does not necessarily constitute objective evidence of long-term notability." In the absence of competitive football, of course these events are going to attract passing coverage. However, as WP:NOTE shows, this short-term news coverage may not indicate notability, especially if the event is likely to disappear and be forgotten. At least the Amsterdam Tournament has actually been repeated a number of times. It's not yet clear whether this pre-season kickabout will be. Robotforaday 18:05, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

  My comment was more in response to comments like "meaningless pre-season tournament".Arrowny 09:42, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.