Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Embrace the End

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The result was keep. — CharlotteWebb 08:30, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Embrace the End

Seems to be non-notable, all links cited are self-created and/or promotional. Article claims a tour, but I can't find any reliable sources that reported this per WP:BAND, nor are any cited. Recommend deletion. Seraphimblade 19:59, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

• Comment -- hmm, tempted to say a brutal delete, however, from my reckoning they pass WP:BAND for the two albums on Abacus. Although, as you say, there is way too much self-promo in it and it depends whether anyone (fans out there?) would be willing to work on it (and maintain). I'm not so sure. At the moment, consider me a soft n' gentle keep. Bubba hotep 20:56, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
• Paradoxically, Allmusic has an entry for the band and one of its albums, but not a biography. That hardly ever happens. I still don't know. Bubba hotep 21:36, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - I'm going out on a limb here. I am a big fan of hardcore/metal as my user page will attest. Just so I can't be accused of bias - if I work on this page (and I mean wikify) and that of the other band mentioned in it (First Blood) - I don't mean to the standard of my articles on Ensign and Killing Time... but, if I work on it, would you consider withdrawing the AfD for now? I have found out it is only one album on Abacus, but they are more notable than most of the backstreet bands I speedy ten times a day? Thoughts? Bubba hotep 21:59, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Comment-are there any listings in reliable sources about them, even maybe some sort of "underground scene" magazine or the like? Wouldn't have to be Rolling Stone or something, but it would be great to see something used besides the band page. Seraphimblade 02:45, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep -- Obviously, this page needs some work, but with 17,500 MySpace friends and two albums on Abacus, this band ain't chump change. Chubbles1212 02:05, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep: Notability is established in the article, they have an album release on Abacus Recordings, there are many reviews out there on metal sites and magazines. Ben W Bell talk 08:54, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
• Comment - I think the work myself and Chubbles have done to it at least brings it to Wiki standard. The reason I stuck my neck out on this one (I had neither heard them, nor heard of them before this) is that there is stack loads of verifiability from sources which are acceptable to a certain degree in this genre because they don't exactly get coverage in mainstream internet press. I hope this is enough to keep the article. Bubba hotep 08:13, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep: I was the one who started this page, and I never put any promotion for the band. Also, how are the links "self-created"? The links include the band's website and their label's site. Old tour information is hard to come by, but I believe some is listed on their website [1]. The Metro

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