Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Embassy (professional wrestling)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus - the late completion of the AfD process likely led to the low participation here, so this AfD should not prejudice a second. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 11:16, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Embassy (professional wrestling)

Uneccessary seperate article that could easily be noted in the wrestler's page. NegroSuave 16:12, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

• Strong keep: while the information is bare, and has been noted by me before, the topic itself is worth noting as a notable stable within Ring of Honor. The lack of information makes it a stub to be sure, but deleting the article because it hasn'tbeen completed considering the many feuds the Embassy has been in is bizarre, especially as they are the top stable in Ring of Honor currently and have been a consistantly high ranked stable for years. --- Lid 17:20, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

• Comment They are notable within one particular fed which despite its audience is still mostly a regional federation as opposed to a national one. However I do not believe that they have contributed so much to the wrestling genre that they have risen above the notability of the wrestlers themselves. Stables form some last a very longtime. Stables Like The Four Horsemen Degeneration X and the New World Order are notable because they were all defining moments in wrestling history. Stables such as the Embassy, Special K, Da Hit Squad, etc are not notable despite their longevity. They fail to make a lasting impact on the genre despite ongoing feuds. NegroSuave 18:00, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: The one "particular fed" is the second highest ranked indy fed in America behind TNA, and they don't even have a TV or PPV deal. RoH has been part of several famous, within the community, other stables such as Generation Next, Second City Saints, The Prophecy and the Rottweilers and all of those are notable as well within the community. This isn't a "well they weren't nWo or DX or Four Horsemen so delete it" as wikipedia chooses deletions off their own merits. While comparing to the mainstream this may seem insignificant, but on its own merits its a significant stable in a significant company in wrestling. --- Lid 18:15, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Once again i am not questioning ROH's influence. Many of the members of the aformentioned stables are aquaintences of mine. It is a fantastic organization with great wrestling, storylines, and the like. However I do not believe that the Embassy as a seperate entity deserves a page. Once again I am saying this as a fan and former collegue of many of the wrestlers in ROH (Many of them in Special K). ROH is fantastic to watch. However The Embassy as a group is not notable to transend the genre of wrestling and does not have the name recognition except among its fans which, despite your claims, are decidedly not as large a cross section of the average wrestling fan. The stable is not of anymore note than any of the other stables that have come and gone within independant wrestling. Otherwise I would be all over documenting the Rise and Fall of the Big Unit and all of its variations and permutations. This is not to say that this article doesn't belong anywhere, It just does not belong on its own seperate page.

• Keep: A notable stable in a notable organization.

↪Lakes (Talk) 18:26, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

• This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. (Liberatore, 2006). 12:43, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

My mistake thank you for correcting that 155.91.45.232 12:44, 29 June 2006 (UTC) previous comment by NegroSuave 12:45, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.