Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elsie Ivancich Dunin (2nd nomination)

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The result was Keep--JForget 23:40, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Elsie Ivancich Dunin

Elsie Ivancich Dunin (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Delete. Fails WP:PROFTEST and just not notable. Eventhough there are a large number of publications by this individual, there is no evidence that this individual has made a notable or important substantive contribution to their field - quality over quantity. Strothra 19:10, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. Eastern European folk dance ethnology is pretty niche and specific, so it's hard for me to judge what exactly would be a notable or substantive contribution to that field. However, since it is so specialized, it might be safe to say that having as many books published on the subject as she has would be considered a significant contribution as there probably aren't that many people contributing to the field to start with. Additionally, I see that she has won a research award from an organization that publishes a leading research journal on dance. This alone satisfies WP:PROFTEST #6. LaMenta3 19:28, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
• Keep per LaMenta3. Looks okay by me. GlassCobra 21:25, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletions. —Espresso Addict 22:31, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
• Keep The nominator himself says Dunin has published many works on this subject. Second guessing their influence seems a fools errand. Nick mallory 00:20, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
• Keep -- per LaMenta3 -- did the nominator compare the subjects accomplishments to other dance ethnologists? If so, what were the results? -- Myke Cuthbert (talk) 04:46, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

That logic is flawed. The article takes no substantive measures to assert notability of contributions made to the field. The point here is that there is no definition of how the individual's work has advanced the field. There is, however, an award, but it itself doesn't seem notable. The issuing organization is moreso known for its journal publication. Many professors publish, but that doesn't mean they're anything more than your average prof living by the "publish or perish" environment of academia. From reading this article, there is nothing above average about the subject. --Strothra 04:55, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

• Strong delete There are absolutely no independent secondary sources that establish that any of the subject's publications made any impact. Publishing a few books does not establish notability. --Crusio 07:39, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Professors do establish notability by publishing books. Seven books is considerably more than the average (only two are necessary for tenure at even the best universities). She furthermore has an award from the major society in her field. She has been a full professor and an extremely important research university with a very strong program in the performing arts and related fields. UCLA has a well established ability to recognize notable professors--I think their standards are somewhat more reliable than our's. The recognition by professional peers is what demonstrates notability. DGG (talk) 22:41, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
• Keep per DGG this person meets WP:PROF in my mind. Yamaguchi先生 02:37, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
• Keep once again. Notability has not changed, and article has improved since last afd.  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 05:29, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - Ethnology and particularly ethnomusicology & related fields are very rarely covered in web-accessible media, but she's got at least 37 hits in google scholar under this name, and she appears to have published under a few other variant names. "Dance Abstracts" and various anthropology indexes are probably good resources to build out more research based on her work; I can try to hit the anthro dbs later on but don't have access to dance which is the most likely. --lquilter 12:37, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
• Keep notability/verifiability established.Mukadderat 04:19, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

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