Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eloise Taylor (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was MERGE. Note that AfD is not a venue to mandate a merge. If that's what you want, if that is seriously under consideration, then use editorial methods not the deletion processes. I'll remove the tags. I will not execute the merges, as those who would have them merged should do that. Splash - tk 21:19, 10 November 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Eloise Taylor

Eloise Taylor (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

This person is only "notable" because of her non-unique circumstance of having a possibly notable mother and a position in line of succession to the British throne. Those being the only possibly notable attributes about her (she is four years old), they are properly relegated to the Line of succession to the British Throne article and possibly on the article of her mother. Other than that, the article fails the criteria for notability. Please also note there is somewhat of a discussion on the page for the line of succession. Being on a notable list does not necessarily make one notable and in this case the person is not notable. Delete or merge to mother Charles 17:37, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Also nominating:

Estella Taylor (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (Previously supposed to delete and merge, no new, distinguishing information has been added since article was recreated. This amounts to a "list" item getting its own article)

Columbus Taylor (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) Same notability issues

Alexander Ferner (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) As above, merge to Princess Astrid of Norway

Stella Ferner (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) As above, merge to Princess Astrid of Norway

Nicholas Medforth-Mills (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) As above, merge to Princess Helen of Romania

Victoria Ribeiro (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) Merge if possible or delete.

What all of these people have in common is that they appear on a list and possible have notable parents. If their parents are notable, put the information there until these people become notable in their own right, not by association. If one is prejudiced by the 2nd nomination (you ought to not be), please note so and vote individually. Otherwise, these are bundled for ease of discussion and voting. Please also note WP:NOT, specifically about purely genealogical material. It is an official Wikipedia policy and these articles do not pass that simply by adding in more non-unique incidental material. Charles 17:48, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

• Merge all to notable parents if possible, delete others, per my nomination. Charles 17:53, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
• Merge all per nom ^† DBD 19:02, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
• Comment - I don't think that it's appropriate to treat these seven pages in one single AfD. While it is true that each of these seven is the child of a princess, there may be different circumstances with each one (although I readily admit that it would be appropriate to treat the three Taylor children together). Noel S McFerran 18:36, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

• I would agree, however I see essentially no differing circumstances between each of the individuals listed above. Charles 18:49, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

• Merge, as above. john k 14:27, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
• Comment. What about Cassius Taylor? john k 14:28, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

• Oops... I'm sure if this batch is deleted then he can be deleted as well. Charles 16:58, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
• This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 11:45, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

• Delete all of them. People out there still care about "royal famlies" ? --Brewcrewer 13:30, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
• Redirect to nearest notable relative, as the answer to the above question is plainly 'Yes'. JJL 14:46, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
• Merge all, but Keep Princess Astrid of Norway because she certainly meets WP:NOTE at least inside Norway where she was the First Lady, is well-known for her patronage and active involvement in many prominent charities, and has appeared in many Norwegian television news broadcasts and Norwegian newspaper articles. It would be against WP:NOTE to merge or delete her article. - Neparis 16:23, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

• Comment Princess Astrid was not nominated for deletion... Charles 16:49, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

• Comment Ah, the perils of skimming while using a browser in a very small window... Her name had been line-wrapped onto a new line all by itself and in the same column as the real nominees' names... - Neparis 00:00, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

• Merge to notable parents where appropriate, else delete. I agree with the nominator's reasoning, although I should point out that merges could have been done without coming to AfD at all. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 17:53, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
• Comment How come Cassius Taylor is not included, while Columbus, Estella and Eloise are? And Karina Medforth-Mills, for that matter? You should probably throw in Elisabeta-Maria de Laufenborg and the Thune-Larsen girls too Nevermind, the articles still exist, but they're now redirects. While you're at it, you should remove all those red lines that your deletion spree caused over at the Line of succession to the British Throne article. At any rate, Merge all the others, but Keep Nicholas Medforth-Mills, as he is the probable future Head of the Romanian Royal Family. Not sure how that works, but if I remember correctly, Frederick William, Prince of Hohenzollern inherits the claims to the actual throne, but Nicholas will eventually inherit as Head of House, right? Morhange 00:49, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I called them as I saw them. Cassius can justifiably be deleted as a result of this as well. Remember, Wikipedia does not predict the future and what is "probable" and Nicholas is not in line to the Romanian throne. The Romanian Royal Family is a branch of the House of Hohenzollern, so the head of that house will be Frederick William, who, as pretender to the Romanian throne, will also be head of the Romanian Royal Family. Nicholas will at best be head of the Medforth-Mills family, but I do not know their genealogy. Charles 02:19, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

• Keep Alexander Ferner per WP:NOTE; merge the other articles. Merge Nicholas Medforth-Mills not only to Princess Elena of Romania but also to Robin Medforth-Mills. Timeineurope 15:24, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

• Bizarre. What part of NOTE supports having an article on Alexander? Charles 16:59, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

• Significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Timeineurope 17:22, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

• I don't see any evidence of "significant coverage in reliable sources" or claim to notability in the article. Phil Bridger 11:44, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

• See [1] (showing a Scanpix photo from his 1996 wedding, this 2000 article from the on-line edition of Norway's largest newspaper VG quotes Alexander Ferner as saying that he and his wife lived together for one year before their wedding; the article notes that he married no:Margrét Gudmundsdóttir in Holmenkollen Chapel in 1996 and that they now (2000) live at Gol) and [2] (this 2007 article tells readers of the Norwegian on-line newspaper Nettavisen how much Alexander Ferner earned and paid in taxes in 2006 and that he has zero capital). Timeineurope 15:04, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

• Delete/Merge where appropriate unless notability can be demonstrated. Phil Bridger 11:44, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
• Merge on condition that on parent's pages details like date & place of birth is not lost. Could I also urge Charles not to start putting daughters of a Kings up for deletion. I think he's now going too far.--UpDown 08:22, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

• Comment You've said it once already. This is not a discussion of Frederica or Marie of Hanover, nor is it one about me. Please keep comments about me out of nominations and put them on my talk page if you take issue with what I am doing. Charles 08:25, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Maybe not, but I think its useful for people on this discussion to see the other discussion.--UpDown 08:29, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

You would think I would know that, since I nominated that as well. It is not particularly pertinent to this discussion though given the manner in which you delivered your comments. Charles 08:34, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.