Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elliot Ross Buckley

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 06:43, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Elliot Ross Buckley

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This reads like an obituary, with nothing substantial that seems to qualify for an encyclopedic entry. Fresh 20:44, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete under WP:BIO - the most notable thing I can find on the guy is that he served on the US Occupational Safety and Health Review Commission in the 80s, and that commission doesn't have a Wikipedia page itself. Other than that, losing a political race and being an oil company lawyer doesn't make him notable enough. --Korranus 21:43, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, He did more than that, he ran for a US House of Representatives seat, and also for Mayor of New Orleans. I don't believe this is violation of WP:BIO. If you do a google search, see here, you will see there are about 1,100,000 results. Granted not all of those are of this person, but I would think a good portion are. --Tλε Rαnδоm Eδιτоr 22:01, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
    • I did a Google search before commenting, and if you enclose the name in quotes, you get exactly ten results. Perhaps the question we need to answer here is whether the races for the House seat and the New Orleans mayor were notable. --Korranus 22:30, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak delete. While he held some fair profile positions, I'm not sure that these constitute notability. Near as I can tell, he never actually won the elections he ran in. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 23:18, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: The U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Review Commission is an appellate body within the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA), so it's a legitimate federal appointive office. Newyorkbrad 00:19, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
    • No question, there, it just matters whether this is notable. I reserve the right to change my mind. =^^= --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 00:45, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Mayors of large cities are considered notable, and New Orleans counts. running for the HofR isn't enough by itself, but together with mayor, and the other administrative positions, it is clearly enough. DGG 01:18, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment: Note that Mr. Buckley was never the actual mayor of New Orleans, he simply ran. From the vote of the HofR, it doesn't look like he was even close. I would agree that if he was mayor it would be notible, but simply running shouldn't warrant an article.--Fresh 01:37, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per Dennis. ~EdBoy[c] 01:25, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. Being simply a nominee for office does not constitute notability per WP:BIO, nor does the OSHRC office. Also of note is that almost the entire article is unsourced from reliable sources. The article reads like an obituary because that is the only source for almost all of it: his obituary. The author of this article frequently creates articles about non-notable individuals and sources those articles with nothing (or almost nothing) more than the individual's family-provided, small-town newspaper obituary. While reporter bylined obituaries (such as those found in the New York Times) would be acceptable sources, family-provided obituaries in small newspapers are not. Such family-provided obituaries do not indicate notability (anyone can submit one; they indicate that his family thought he was notable, but not that anyone else thought so), nor are they reliable sources, because they are not subjected to any extensive fact-checking by a reporter or editor. If what the family says seems plausible, then it runs. This appears to be the case with Buckley's obituary listed as a reference for this article, since there is no reporter listed as the obituary's author, and since the Las Cruces Sun-News is indeed a small newspaper that accepts and runs family-provided obituaries. If the article is kept, it should be reduced to a stub of info that is verifiable from sources other than that obituary: cousin of WFB Jr., that he ran for congress, that he ran for mayor, his tenure on the OSHRC, and that's about it. Mwelch 01:40, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - those five "references" are nothing of the sort. Two are laundry-lists of names, one is his son's wedding announcement, one is about someone entirely different and doesn't mention him once, while the fifth is his obituary from the local paper which, in light of certain other articles, I've no doubt would be suspiciously similar to this article were we to compare them side-by-side - and even if it weren't is in no way a reliable source. If he was mayor he'd warrant a weak keep, but this is a failed candidate - a very different thing — iridescenti (talk to me!) 02:24, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete as failed candidates are not automatically notable for that non-accomplishment. The plethora of non-notable biographies that this article's author continues to cut and paste into Wikipedia is frankly saddening. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate dictionary of biography of every two-bit politician of the last century in two U.S. states. --Dhartung | Talk 09:52, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

The AlexBot scored the article 100 points. How many points are needed for inclusion? It has six or seven links. Billy Hathorn 13:47, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.