Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elizabeth Oehlkers Wright

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Please defer merge related discussion to article talk. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:30, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Elizabeth Oehlkers Wright

Elizabeth Oehlkers Wright (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log) Notability of subject unclear. Article was tagged for improvement, but none was forthcoming. Prod was contested with stated reason "The authors which were translated by Mrs. Wright (Zafer Senocak, Zehra Cirak and Ernst Peter Fischer) have their articles in the German WP without any complaints and thus they are relevant. Mrs. Wright herself is relevant - her translations do not come out at any dubious Vanity-publishers." I do not know whether or not these authors are notable, but if they are, I do not think that this automatically confers notability on their translator. I have taken this to AfD to obtain a consensus from the community. Crusio (talk) 11:01, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. STORMTRACKER 94 12:42, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep Wikipedia:Notability (people) mentions Additional criteria. Below the headline Creative professionals I read: "The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating". Elizabeth Oehlkers Wright is not only married with Pulitzer Price winner Franz Wright, together with him she translated a poetry book of Valzhyna Mort. A special kind of co-creating are these bilingual readings with de:Zafer Şenocak, whose poems she translated, see article on the website of the PEN American Center: [1]. In Germany Zafer Şenocak is notable after getting the de:Adelbert-von-Chamisso-Preis in 1988. In addition to that (see below headline Any Biography in Wikipedia:Notability (people)) she received some awards and fellowships. --T.G. (talk) 14:43, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

• Comment: being married to a Pulitzer Prize winner does not seem to me to make somebody notable of themselves. Zafer Şenocak is notable, but does that automatically make anyone who translates his works notable, too? --Crusio (talk) 23:24, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep - per T.G. matt91486 (talk) 18:10, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - Asserts sufficient notablity. Mostlyharmless (talk) 21:10, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
• Weak Delete The translator of works of notable authors is not necessarily notable. Some few people will be, but there is no reason to think she is one of them. The references given are all for the notability of he various primary authors.DGG (talk) 02:53, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Being a published translator is as notable as, if not more, than being a published author. Being married to and coauthor with a Pulitzer Prize winner also adds to notability. Given that we have the sources, I see no reason not to keep the article.--Prosfilaes (talk) 16:45, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

being married to a pulitzer prize winner is not notability in the least. Neither is being a coauthor. She has to be judged by her own work. We need at least reviews of her translations DGG (talk)

• I agree. I also fail to see how a transloator can be as notable as the original author, or even more so??? --Crusio (talk) 07:54, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

• Arthur Waley is more notable than many of the people he translated. Constance Garnett is more notable than Alexandr Ostrovsky. If you're commenting on my statement, I did not say that a published translator is more notable than the authors she translates; I said that mere fact of being a published translator is more notable than that of being a published author.--Prosfilaes (talk) 08:32, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
• Thanks, I now understand the distinction you are making in your statement about translators being more notable than authors. I'll have to mull that one over...--Crusio (talk) 22:56, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

But is there any evidence of that here? Garret also translated Dostoevsky and Anton Chekhov. Waley translated some of the greatest works of chinese literature. their translations were classics for many decades, and played a major part is establishing the english readership of the national literatures involved. Is there any evidence of that here? DGG (talk) 01:39, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

• Not as far as I can see. --Crusio (talk) 09:53, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep : - more important than to be married to a Pulitzer Prize winner seems to me the fact that she was chosen for a NEA fellowship in 2003 after having already won the ALTA Student Award in 1996. --ulli purwin (talk) 17:43, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep, but preferably as a merge and redirect to Franz Wright. --Reinoutr (talk) 20:20, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
• Remark: I hope this additional information in the article increases the notability. --T.G. (talk) 00:48, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

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