Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elizabeth Kerner

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Keep Kotepho 18:49, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Elizabeth Kerner

Original prodder, but User:Monicasdude objected, User:Strothra put it back on, so here we are. Written three novels, they all have amazon ranks > 150,000. Seeing as this is a novel, we are probably going on popularity, as critical acclaim or academic skill appears not to apply. In which case, 150,000 doesn't seem very good.ßlηguγΣη | Have your say!!! 03:57, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

  • Keep per WP:BIO. Author was published by a notable publishing company (Tor Books) and not self-published --TBC??? ??? ??? 04:01, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Comment Notability is judged by readership not publisher. Just because a good publisher published the works does not mean that the work is read.--Strothra 04:04, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Comment Understood, I was just indicating that the publisher was not a self-publishing company, as self published arthurs usually are not notable.--TBC??? ??? ??? 04:19, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak Delete. I moreso challenged the prod because I believed that it have been unfairly removed without discussion. I feel, however, that this individual is a nn author and fails WP:BIO. "Published authors, editors, and photographers who have written books with an audience of 5,000 or more or in periodicals with a circulation of 5,000 or more." This may be an interested vote. --Strothra 04:04, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep per the section of WP:BIO quoted above. Author is published by a mass-market publishing house (Tor), which would be indicative that 5,000 copies of at least one of her books have been sold. —C.Fred (talk) 04:12, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Comment.Publication does not imply that a book is being sold. Books may sit on shelves months without ever being sold. There's no proof that simply because it was published by a mass market publisher that people actually purchased it. The proof, once again, is in the readership not the publication.--Strothra 04:15, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes, but please note that Amazon rankings also do not indicate how many of her books have been sold. Also (if it makes any of a difference), Barnes & Noble, on the other hand, ranks her book at #16,490 [1]--TBC??? ??? ??? 04:19, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
True, but she has three books published by the same company; I don't think they'd have brought her back for the second unless the first had some measure of sales success, and 5,000 seems modest in that regard. —C.Fred (talk) 04:23, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Comment The books were published in 1997, 2001 and 2004, so current Amazon sales rank is not a good guide. Worldcat shows 365+ libraries hold the last book of the series and 555+ hold the first. Thatcher131 16:39, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak keep, notable per WP:BIO. Royboycrashfan 04:24, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Moderately weak keep per Fred and TBC. Joe 05:06, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep per above. SoLando (Talk) 05:20, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep Google search turns up quite a bit - she seems "notable enough." Fishhead64 05:34, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep Seems like a good time to err on the side of inclusionism. It would be nice if the article had a little more content. --Hyperbole 06:54, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep per above. --Arnzy (Talk) 07:51, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Kep. Having 3 novels that are not self-published are enough for notability irrespective of popularity. Loom91 08:35, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep a poor stub of an article, but the subject does indeed appear to be an author with multiple books published by a genuine publisher. Just zis Guy you know? 12:06, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep, having multiple works published by a reasonably respected publisher is good enough notability for me. Lankiveil 12:57, 12 April 2006 (UTC).
  • Keep, notable enough, the person's books are published by a notable publisher, meets WP:BIO. --Terence Ong 13:17, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep Worldcat shows 555 libraries hold the first book of the trilogy, Song in the Silence. Article obviously needs more information. Thatcher131 16:39, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. JimTS 17:13, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak keep 3 books, notable publisher, listed on Amazon Funky Monkey 00:49, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. Novelist with genuine commercial publisher = notable. Metamagician3000 01:07, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak keep, though I think the article ought to be considerably expanded if it's really gonna be worth continuing to have. ekedolphin 07:18, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.