Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elie Yossef

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was a weakish keep. Daniel 04:22, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Elie Yossef

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Elie Yossef is described in the article as a political activist. He is not a noteworthy activist, he has not even been mentioned by the media (except for the fringe news website of Arutz Sheva, which mentioned his name a couple of times). His Google presence is almost exclusively due to Wikipedia and its forks. Naturally, this article does not reference any reliable sources. Its only references are to the said Arutz Sheva website and to a real estate agency owned by the subject of the article. Doron 08:38, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Strong Speedy Keep: Article seems to be very well written, refernced and edited. Arutz Sheva is of course not a fringe website like mistakingly claimed by Doron, but actually a large news station serving a large % of people in Israel, mainly the religious population which is relatively very large. Since the article is full of references and seems well written, and since there is an article on Magshimey Herut and of course Arutz Sheva which this person seems to be a leader and spokesperson, then there are no grounds for deletion. Amoruso 14:45, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Note: Just to remind you all that Arutz Sheva was a pirate radio and ten of its operators were convicted. Besides that, no prominent Israeli journalist is associated with Arutz Sheva. Essentially, despite what Amoruso writes above, the Arutz Sheva website has no credentials whatsoever. And this is an article about a political activist who hasn't been mentioned by any news agency except for Arutz Sheva, so how can he be notable enough to warrant an article?--Doron 15:12, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Note2:Credentials ? Please don't insert your political opinions about Arutz Sheva into the discussion. The fact that Arutz Sheva belongs to the right wing sector, and religious sector of society doesn't make it illegal. As far as for piracy, this was a complex legal issue concerning Tender Law and Frequency allocation. Many of Israel's parliament and legal advisors were against closing it down at the time. Freedom of speech is one of the most important pillars of democracies and of Israel in specific, and this station serves hundreds of thoudsands of people. It has a legitimate base, it has very prominent broadcasters and public figures, which Doron might not be aware with his own original experience, and the fact this person is notable related as explained above of course makes void this request for delete. Amoruso 15:58, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

• Weak Delete. The (misleadingly formatted) sources are all ads for his real estate agency or from Arutz Sheva. If he's one network's pet activist, he's not notable, he's entertainment. (The references are external links, formatted with sup to look like footnotes.) Septentrionalis PMAnderson 21:44, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
• Keep I have a strong dislike for nomination of sources where it appears the political point of view may be relevant in the nomination. WP is neutral in such matters —Preceding unsigned comment added by DGG (talk • contribs) 04:25, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

If there was an article about a leftist political activist who's only mentioned in Indymedia, I'd think the same thing. I know several leftist political activists who had much more exposure on mainstream Israeli media and still I don't think they deserve an article. There's nothing about this person that makes him noteworthy, activists like him are a dozen a dime.--Doron 10:15, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

• Strong delete Yosef is non-notable in terms of Israeli politics or current affairs. I have never heard his name mentioned apart from on here despite being pretty ofé with Israeli politics. This article and other related ones (e.g. Zionist Freedom Alliance and Magshimey Herut) are far too detailed and I strongly suspect are being written by an insider (thus WP:COI). Number 57 11:06, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. After reading, I stil don't see what he does exactly ? Alithien 20:06, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Yossef has been well known in rightwing activist circles for years. And many Israeli young adults know him because he spoke at hundreds of high schools in 2002 about the Jonathan Pollard issue. Many Israelis see him as being the person most responsible for publicizing Pollard's situation amomg the Israeli youth. I'm also pretty sure that Yossef ran for Knesset in the last elections but was unsuccessful.--Naama 22:41, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

If you have proof of this from a reliable source, add it to the article and I'll vote "keep" myself, otherwise what you are saying is original research and has no weight.--Doron 04:21, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

??? For what party ? If you are right, it would already written in the article he is member of a party, no ? Alithien 21:10, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

• Keep per DGG. A rewrite may be in order, but he seems notable from the article. - G1ggy ^Talk/_Contribs 22:24, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
• Keep I have worked to improve the article by elaborating on Yossef's activities for Jonathan Pollard and adding information about his run for Knesset. I probably should have included these things before. My bad--Benny K 07:40, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Needs a cleanup tag and a mop and a broom, not an AfD.--Mike18xx 09:32, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.