Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eli Guttman
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
Result was Keep. — Caknuck 03:03, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Eli Guttman
He has never coached in a fully professional league and was never international user:KRBN 20:13, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- Comment did he play or manage for any professional league club? It seems so, because I guess teams like Hapoel Haifa are fully professional. --Angelo 18:06, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep Trophy-winning coach in Israel - coached Hapoel Haifa in their championship winning season according to Kicker magazine (in German) and also coached Beitar Jerusalem. If [1] is anything to go by, someone with access to Israeli newspaper archives would find an abundance of reference material. Oldelpaso 18:19, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- Have now found some more refs and added tham to the article, he's coached practically every major team in Israel. Oldelpaso 18:43, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep for sources given by Oldelpaso. --Angelo 18:32, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep a manager of numerous top level clubs, and another overzealous nomination from KRBN. ArtVandelay13 19:13, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep as per Oldepasos sources, and thus notable and no need to even be considered for deletion.♦Tangerines BFC ♦·Talk 19:25, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep - time does not diminish notability, some may believe that one title around ten years ago doesn't count, but I do. Ref (chew)(do) 19:35, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep - obvious keep. BlueValour 23:43, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- Speedy keep is the obvious thing to do here. RFerreira 07:07, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
- Comment Hapoel may be a fully professional but however they don't play in a fully professional league. Since when Israel is fuly professional? For example Greece is since 1979. Israel when? It does not matter the fact that he won a championship, since the Israeli one is not a fully professional and not one of the best in Europe --KRBN 10:26, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Comment - there is no diminishing of notability just because Israel does not have a "fully professional league". It is a league which nevertheless qualifies for its clubs to be included in UEFA Competitions, professional or not. This implies notability for the league, and notability for one of its leading coaches. Ref (chew)(do) 20:21, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
- Comment He was manager of Hapoel Haifa when they won the Liga Leumit. That in itself is notable. This entry should not even be considered for deletion.♦Tangerines BFC ♦·Talk 23:48, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
- Comment It does not matter that it qualifies to UEFA Competition. WP:BIO says clearly for fully professional league. Even the Andorran and San Marinese Leage qualifies for such competitions. For example, in the Basketball, the Cypriot League itself qualifies to FIBA Europe competitions but it is not fully professional. So Articles like Andreas Stylianou were deleted. As for the fact that he was champion with Hapoel Haifa, he was champion in not fully professional league. user:KRBN 11:44, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
- Comment WP:BIO, under Athletes, says "Competitors who have played or competed at the highest level in amateur sports" are notable. So, as Tangerines previously noted, this entry shouldn't even be considered for deletion. --Angelo 18:25, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
- Comment WP:BIO, under Athletes, says "Competitors who have played or competed at the highest level in amateur sports" are notable. Well Israel Premiership is the highest level just of Israel. Highest level are champions league, world cup, euro, etc. Also football is not an amature sport Look also for a player like Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andreas Stylianou who played in top division of cyprus. --User:KRBN 12:07, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
- Comment It merely says "highest level in amateur sports". If it is the highest level in Israel then it is at the highest level. And football is both a professional and amateur sport.♦Tangerines BFC ♦·Talk 23:21, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
- Comment It does not matter that it qualifies to UEFA Competition. WP:BIO says clearly for fully professional league. Even the Andorran and San Marinese Leage qualifies for such competitions. For example, in the Basketball, the Cypriot League itself qualifies to FIBA Europe competitions but it is not fully professional. So Articles like Andreas Stylianou were deleted. As for the fact that he was champion with Hapoel Haifa, he was champion in not fully professional league. user:KRBN 11:44, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
- Comment He was manager of Hapoel Haifa when they won the Liga Leumit. That in itself is notable. This entry should not even be considered for deletion.♦Tangerines BFC ♦·Talk 23:48, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
- Comment - there is no diminishing of notability just because Israel does not have a "fully professional league". It is a league which nevertheless qualifies for its clubs to be included in UEFA Competitions, professional or not. This implies notability for the league, and notability for one of its leading coaches. Ref (chew)(do) 20:21, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
