Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eleventyseven (2nd nomination)

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The result was Delete This is the ninth time this article (in some form or another) has been deleted. I would strongly recommend that notability has been firmly established before it is recreated. — Caknuck 00:10, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eleventyseven

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Does not appear to meet minimum criteria of WP:MUSIC, in particular "subject of multiple non-trivial published works". The matter of being listed on a "national music chart" is up for debate; it has charted on ChristianRock.Net weekly top 30. Article was previously AFD-deleted when it was in substantially shorter form; it was tagged for speedy deletion as a re-post, but I dispute that it was a re-post due to expanded content. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:52, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

• Keep The band appears to meet WP:MUSIC, as they have had spin on Christian radio as well as major internet radio stations. —Alex43223 ^{T | C | E} 02:40, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

• Delete: Does not meet WP:MUSIC - does not have multiple WP:RS coverage, only has one album, and being listed on ChristianRock.net is not a national music chart (which in the case of the US would be Billboard, or similar). I also don't feel that ChristianRock.net qualifies as a "major radio network." Leuko 03:00, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, has not charted on a major chart (Billboard and Mediabase 24/7 seem to be pretty much the only two "major" US charts these days). No other criterion of WP:MUSIC is met -- at least not yet. Once that second album is released, they would meet the criterion of having multiple albums on a notable label (Flicker Records, a division of Sony BMG), but as of July 2007, these guys still fall short. Shame, too, because they have a cool name. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps)))} 04:41, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
• Weak keep. Barely passes notability, and the case seems to be improving by the day. Realkyhick 18:26, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
• Oh, so very close. I somewhat agree with TPH above that their lack of the second album keeps them below the bar on WP:MUSIC; I also had problems tracking down reliable sources - but, Christian bands are very difficult to find RS for to start with, for some reason. I also suspect that Christian recordings don't tend to hit Billboard very often, which makes chart info difficult. I think waiting for the next album to drop would be the best course. Delete for now, with no barriers to recreation later. Tony Fox (arf!) review? 20:40, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete I speedied an earlier version that contained no assertion of notability; here the assertion does not pass WP:MUSIC. If we just want to let any ole' band have an article, then let's but until we collectively decide to do that, we're left with the guidelines at WP:MUSIC. ChristianRock.net is not a major radio network. Contrary to Tony, I don't think that Christian bands are harder to find RSes for, we have hundreds of bands/musicians categorized at Category:Performers of Christian music and its subcats and hundreds more at Category:Christian musical groups and its subcats, they just tend to not be notable - like Polka bands, barbershop quartets, a cappella groups doing Gregorian Chants that don't chart. WP is not a measure of the quality of the group or its music, it's limited to the notability of the group or its music. Carlossuarez46 04:58, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete still doesn't pass Will ^(talk) 07:52, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

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