Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elena Fernández
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 05:08, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Elena Fernández
Non-Notable. Stellatomailing 20:12, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
I would say the article does not comply with the rules below.
Entertainers: actors, comedians, opinion makers, and television personalities:
* With significant roles in notable films, television, stage performances, and other productions. * Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following. * Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment.
Stellatomailing 20:12, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sr13 03:11, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
- Keep as pretty obviously notable. Has appeared in numerous TV series and notable films, so very easily fulfills the criteria. Ford MF 03:54, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. Article is close to a stub class, the subject meets the first two criteria you mentioned well enough (or is otherwise asserted). You can still ask for references. --Sigma 7 06:08, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
- Comment Well, I still disagree since she was not a main character in any of the movies she participated. Looks like more of a job of somebody trying to promote her. (not the voters in this AfD) Stellatomailing 06:14, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. She passes WP:BIO - "With significant roles in notable films, television, stage performances, and other productions". The problem with foreign language entries in the IMDB is that actors are often listed in alphabetical instead of in credits order (more common in North American productions), which makes it seem like she's rather far down the list in some of the things she's been in. But she was in 66 episodes of at least one program (Todos los hombres sois iguales) that received the Spanish equivalent of a national Emmy for Best Series while she was on it. She had a major part in the film La lengua de las mariposas - that was nominated for (if I count correctly) 13 Goya Awards (the equivalent of the Oscars). --Charlene 09:57, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
- Comment If she had a meaningful contribution in Todos los hombres sois iguales, she has some N. But for La lengua de las mariposas, she is not even mentioned in the reviews I found.([1],[2],[3],[4] among others). Regarding Todos los hombres sois iguales, you can see that in the spanish IMDB she was added later as an extra [5]. I doubt she was in 66 episodes - she is not even credited here,here, or here. Google search brings only a couple hits for non-imdb sites. Stellatomailing 19:29, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mailer Diablo 17:23, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
- This debate is relisted per nominator request, please add opinons below this note. - Mailer Diablo 17:25, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
- Stella has been giving me the impression she thinks Elena needs to clear every bar on WP:BIO, which isn't true. Morgan Wick 18:21, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Hmm, I was under the impression she met none. I was just trying to demonstrate that her film credits are not notable.Stellatomailing 18:29, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
- I wasn't saying she met any; if I was I would have voted keep. I just got that idea from the way you cited specific lines of WP:BIO she didn't meet. Morgan Wick 21:09, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
- Oh, ok. I just did not want to repost the entire WP:BIO article. Stellatomailing 21:37, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
- Hmm, I was under the impression she met none. I was just trying to demonstrate that her film credits are not notable.Stellatomailing 18:29, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
- Keep, This obviously passes WP:BIO in global perspective. --Javit 19:19, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. She had a significant role in La lengua de las mariposas, a notable film for which we have an article. That alone seems to establish her notability. See also the additional credits found by User:Charlene.fic. EdJohnston 20:26, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Comment This article is definitely going to be kept, but she did not have a significant role in the movie. It was just added by the creator of her article. [6] He created "advert" articles before Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Everest_Capital. Stellatomailing 20:35, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
- Her own web site includes a listing of her film and TV projects. It states that she had a principal role in Mi nombre es sombra and in the TV show Menudo es mi padre. Her other roles were secondary, according to this list. I was thinking of updating the article accordingly, but it's not too far off the way it is stated now. Though the case for a 'Keep' has been weakened, the large variety of her projects, and a speaking part in Butterfly, seem to justify keeping the article IMHO. To go for delete you'd have to argue that Mi nombre es sombra was insignificant. EdJohnston 18:00, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
- "Mi nombre es sombra" fails Wikipedia:Notability (films). She worked (judging from apparently her own contributions to YouTube - there is a madridchico in the Everest Capital discussion), she worked around 7 minutes in the ...Sombra movie (note how she is not cited [7],[8]) and has a speaking & Beyond role in Butterfly (the video is here, her participation is about two minutes, starting at 4:34 in the clip. (not sure how long it will stay there, since it is NSFW). I admit this may not represent her entire participation in the movies, although it is likely. Stellatomailing 18:22, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not used to deletion debates that get down to this fine a level of detail. In a sense, this is beneficial, because we get to understand the sources better. (I also hope someone will go ahead and add some of this info to the article, if it turns out to be Kept). My comment on your first links above is the following: The todocine link only includes *four* cast members, so she would not have been mentioned if she weren't in the top four. You are not insisting on that as a criterion for film notability, are you? She was also featured in a rather intense two-minute romantic scene that you included in the Youtube clip. Though that was only two minutes, don't you think she gets some credit from the fact that Butterfly was a big critical success? Also I'd like to hear more about why Mi nombre es sombra was not notable, in your view. EdJohnston 19:05, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
- Hi Ed, I just try to show the "why" in detail. In some AfDs this makes more sense, in others it goes uncontested. What I was trying to show using the todocine link (one of the few that mention the movie) is just that she did not have a major participation. My point on the Butterfly is that if she actually added to the success of Butterfly critically, she would have been mentioned by name in at least one review, and she was not. About "Sombra", the movie does not comply with any guidelines for notability - I am not sure how can I prove you the movie do not comply, since there are no "negative proof" that I can show. Stellatomailing 19:14, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not used to deletion debates that get down to this fine a level of detail. In a sense, this is beneficial, because we get to understand the sources better. (I also hope someone will go ahead and add some of this info to the article, if it turns out to be Kept). My comment on your first links above is the following: The todocine link only includes *four* cast members, so she would not have been mentioned if she weren't in the top four. You are not insisting on that as a criterion for film notability, are you? She was also featured in a rather intense two-minute romantic scene that you included in the Youtube clip. Though that was only two minutes, don't you think she gets some credit from the fact that Butterfly was a big critical success? Also I'd like to hear more about why Mi nombre es sombra was not notable, in your view. EdJohnston 19:05, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
- "Mi nombre es sombra" fails Wikipedia:Notability (films). She worked (judging from apparently her own contributions to YouTube - there is a madridchico in the Everest Capital discussion), she worked around 7 minutes in the ...Sombra movie (note how she is not cited [7],[8]) and has a speaking & Beyond role in Butterfly (the video is here, her participation is about two minutes, starting at 4:34 in the clip. (not sure how long it will stay there, since it is NSFW). I admit this may not represent her entire participation in the movies, although it is likely. Stellatomailing 18:22, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
- Her own web site includes a listing of her film and TV projects. It states that she had a principal role in Mi nombre es sombra and in the TV show Menudo es mi padre. Her other roles were secondary, according to this list. I was thinking of updating the article accordingly, but it's not too far off the way it is stated now. Though the case for a 'Keep' has been weakened, the large variety of her projects, and a speaking part in Butterfly, seem to justify keeping the article IMHO. To go for delete you'd have to argue that Mi nombre es sombra was insignificant. EdJohnston 18:00, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
- Comment This article is definitely going to be kept, but she did not have a significant role in the movie. It was just added by the creator of her article. [6] He created "advert" articles before Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Everest_Capital. Stellatomailing 20:35, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film and TV-related deletions. Stellatomailing 22:31, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Spain-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 04:09, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
