Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Electric Hellfire Club

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. --Akhilleus (talk) 17:25, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Electric Hellfire Club

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doesn't provide any sources and the only claim to notability in the article is being interviewed by Bob Larson Will (talk) 15:36, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

  • KEEP I don't think so, buddy.

This band was at one time, the flagship band of, and one of the biggest selling original acts on Cleopatra records, during the early to late 1990's. I hardly think a 16 year old kid (The user who marked this article for deletion) is qualified to determine the band's level "notability", as he was a toddler when the band started, and was in elementary school when the band experienced its peak level of popularity. User:RivetheadX

  • weak keep few searches around does show a little notability. Rivethead, do keep in mind that a lot of 16 year olds here do read a lot of the project pages such as WP:MUSIC. Kwsn(Ni!) 16:16, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

DELETE for no assertion of Notability as per WP:MUSIC. Reading the article tells me that this is an underground band which has a large myspace presence. RivetheadX, "It was big on Cleopatra Records once," gives me hope that it may meet a notability guideline -- 2, 8, or 11 seem most likely. Has EHC won a major music award, had a single that was in the rotation nationally on a radio network, or charted on ANY national music chart? If not, and there is no assertion of such in the article, it is not a notable band.

Further, a 16-year-old kid who can read the notability requirements is doing just fine by marking this for deletion. For the record, I'm 31 and have never heard of this lot either. Deltopia 16:23, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Um, the article says the band went defunct in 2002. Therefore, "being" (present tense) a band with a large presence on MySpace (founded 2003) is not possible. - Zeibura (Talk) 21:04, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Keep per Zeibura's rationale and cleanup. I didn't follow the Thrill Kill section before, and I (carelessly) assumed Cleopatra was minor because it wasn't linked in the article. I (lazily) failed to look it up myself. A learning experience for me; thanks for the lesson :) Deltopia 13:16, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. per nom. a 16-year old user always follows guidelines of WP:NOTE and having good nom faith.--Edtropolis 17:10, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - Per nom. Nobody scream WP:PERNOM at me. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (ταlκ) 21:19, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
    • YOU CAN'T USE WP:PERNOM! (you asked for it you know.) Kwsn(Ni!) 17:23, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - Non notable per WP:MUSIC - but also this is just a poorly done article. I have no idea why there's a "WHERE ARE THEY NOW" section - but there are also absolutely no citations whatsoever. I'm usually the last person who says "this article isn't written well enough - delete" - and if it wasn't for it seriously failing to meet notability guidelines I would probably take a stab at fixing it up myself, but the combo of the two is just overwhelming --danielfolsom 21:29, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 11:11, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, but the band is notable. For the record, I am 19 and I have heard of this band; WP:IDONTKNOWIT is as poor an argument as making a generalisation based on a contributor's age in any discussion. Anyway, aside from being completely unreferenced and full of original research, this article has serious WP:BLP concerns, unreferenced statements such as the "celebrations of evil, violence, sex, devil worship, and mass murder" sentence in the opening para, and all the stuff about Thrill Kill Kult, could be seen as libelious unless attributed to reliable sources. This band does appear to meet criteria 4 and 5 in WP:MUSIC, so if it can be rewritten without any unreferenced controversial statements and with reliable sources to verify notability, then I'd be for keeping it. - Zeibura (Talk) 20:59, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Another note: The band also asserts that it meets criterion 6 of WP:MUSIC, as Thrill Kill Kult are a notable band. - Zeibura (Talk) 21:20, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
  • KEEP The EHC were at the forefront of the industrial music genre during the 1990's. Citing a lack of mainstream airplay or a lack of a "Major Award" is dubious at best. There's a plethora music out there, with loyal followings that don't conform to "mainstream". The remark about unreferenced statements like "unreferenced statements such as the "celebrations of evil, violence, sex, devil worship, and mass murder" sentence in the opening para..." are sort of moot, as the citations are from the band's lyrics.(User Bsg75)1838 21 june 2007
That's all well and good, but there were no citations. What I was being told by that sentence was that the band celebrated violence and mass murder. The most you can say for that is to say the band's lyrical content made references to those things, saying they celebrate them based on their lyrics is an unfair assumption on a controversial issue. Also, I couldn't find any mention of the "I put the 'Kill' back in Thrill Kill Kult" quote anywhere, it gave me 2 google hits, both from Wikipedia. - Zeibura (Talk) 06:01, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. I've just done some clean up on this article, removing the libelious content and unnecessary sections, and have added a reference to the band's discography, which alone is enough for it to meet the notability guidelines. Criterion 5 says "Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable)". Cleopatra Records has a history dating back to 1992, and has a roster of twelve bluelinked bands including Gary Numan. Furthermore, notability is "inherited" in this case from My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult, per criterion 6. This band are notable. - Zeibura (Talk) 06:01, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, plenty of sources available to expand the article. John Vandenberg 06:17, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Passes WP:Music with the extensive discography alone listed at Discogs. Cricket02 05:35, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.