Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ehud Olmert and Iran

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Mailer Diablo 09:42, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ehud Olmert and Iran

First let me start with some history. Because of all of the attention and debate caused by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's statements regarding Israel and The Holocaust, the section of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad dealing with his comments about Israel became too large for the article on him, so it was split off into Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Israel. Ehud Olmert and Iran was clearly created as a POV response to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Israel. This article was created with the intention of showing that the Israeli Prime Minister makes parallel comments about Iran that Ahmadinejad makes about Israel. However, whereas Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Israel actually talks about an ongoing controversy that is frequently in the news, this article is intended to create a controversy. If you read the article you will see that it is entirely POV and OR, and the grammar ain't much to write home about. Further, the subject is bogus, anything here that's relevant already exists at Ehud Olmert or could be merged there, and nothing that Olmert is quoted as saying here is particularly notable or hasn't been said by other world leaders. GabrielF 02:31, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. If there is ever any useful information on the page, merge into Ehud Olmert. --JWSchmidt 02:48, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete POV fork Avi 02:53, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per above. IronDuke 03:41, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
• Comment This page appears to be related (a rebuttal?) to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Israel. I can't tell if that one is non-NPOV. I scrolled down 7 pages and my head start to hurt. --Xrblsnggt 03:58, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, merge relevant content to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Israel. This is an example of trying to use Wikipedia as a platform through Original Research ("an analysis or synthesis of established facts, ideas, opinions, or arguments in a way that builds a particular case favored by the editor...") and use of non-neutral language: "Israel which is said to possess nuclear warheads..."; "Prime Minister Ehud Olmert launched a scathing attack...". It includes incoherent, non-native English statements: "Ehud Olmert claimed that Israel and the western world can not see the Iranian regime due to its Islamic nature among ither things..." --Leflyman^Talk 04:48, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, fails WP:NPOV and WP:NOR. Wikipedia's not a soapbox, either. --Coredesat talk. o.o;; 05:47, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete fails everything. Hoxxy 12:13, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
• Merge with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Israel. The new article needs to have an appropriate title. --Mitso Bel13:50, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

If you think about it, the reason why there exist an article called Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Israel is simply the echo of his statements in western media. Non of his statements were new and many of former Iranian and non Iranian muslim officials have had very similar remarks. Olmert's statements had also very similar echo in Iran and muslim countries. In this respect wikipedia is very much POV as it mainly covers what is in western media (as most of the media of Iran and muslim coutries use a language other than English). --Mitso Bel14:07, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

• Western media, eastern media, they are all biased. Think for yourself and don't trust any of them. --Xrblsnggt 01:02, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

• Merge As per Mitso Bel above. --Spahbod 17:51, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per nomination. Lukas ^(T.|@) 14:20, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Em-jay-es 15:13, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I don't like Israel but this pay is not needed, we can merge it with Foreign relations of Israel. Robin Hood 1212 21:31, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. WP:POINT. Jayjg ^(talk) 21:35, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 21:41, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per Jayjg. Bibigon 22:23, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as a POV fork. I wouldn't even bother trying to merge it within anything. 205.157.110.11 22:41, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete This article, is POV, and has no relavant information, but it's even worse than that. It's POV that supports genocide. I certainly don't want wikipedia to be a key piece of propoganda in the start of world war three. Tobyk777 00:32, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
• Comment If this article is POV then why is there Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Israel? Is that not also a violation of POV forking policy??? Khorshid 03:45, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
  • That article decribes events happening in the news and gives lagitamate information from a varaeity of perspectives, that of many countries. It doesn't break any policy. This one basicaly lists every reason why Israel is bad and Iran is good. Making it propoganda for Iran and a clear violation of the NPOV policy. Also, this article is advocating genocide. If I were an admin I would delete this on sight. Tobyk777 03:51, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Where is advocating genocide in the article? Khorshid 05:34, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

• 'Merge and Redirect (or Delete) into Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Israel or Ehud Olmert, de-merge when this becomes a talked about issue. Having said that, present some coherent reliable sources that discuss an ongoing controversy and I may change my opinion - FrancisTyers · 21:51, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Either delete this AND the "Ahmadinejad and Israel", or keep them both. There has to be some consistency here. --Ķĩřβȳ♥ŤįɱéØ 07:56, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment There already appears to be an article on Iran-Israel_relations. --Xrblsnggt 01:43, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Per above.:NikoSilver: 10:21, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, as above. --Tēlex 16:25, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

• Strong keep. It is really funny. User:Jayig who voted for deletion of this article has repeatedly reverted inclusion of the material in either of the following page: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Israel or Iran-Israel relations. Well! Would you please let us know where we shoud include Israeli prime minister's policies and remarks about Iran and Iranian president??!!!!! --Sinooher17:21, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Have you tried to merge the relevant and sourced information into Ehud Olmert? --JWSchmidt 17:24, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually, he's now trying to insert the exact same information into 4 different articles, including Ehud Olmert. Jayjg ^(talk) 22:47, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete for reasons already mentioned. --Hectorian 00:47, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.