Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Edward P. Felt

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Wizardman 15:20, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edward P. Felt

He died in the 9/11 attacks. While that is very sad, Wikipedia is not a memorial, and he appears not to be notable except for his death. The article mostly covers a press release from the company he was working for, and again a few details about the attacks themselves that are covered far better in such articles as September 11, 2001 attacks. Suggest deletion and/or redirecting his name to either the company or the attack. >Radiant< 11:18, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete as failing WP:NOT a memorial Guy (Help!) 11:35, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak Keep/Merge - it appears that his story was featured on CNN and hence may be notable for making the 911 call. Also, the part about the white smoke coroborates the idea that the plane was shot down. Keep or merge into September 11, 2001 attacks. Plm209(talk • contribs) 12:13, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Redirect to United Flight 93. He wasa one of a dozen passengers who made phone calls. A good combined article is better than individual fragmentary and speculative articles, which tend to be memorials, wich Wikipedia is not. Edison 16:32, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep or Merge. I created the page on the basis that he is notable for being the last passenger of Flight 93 to call 911 from the airplane, and his call may have lasted until the final moment of the flight. — Loadmaster 17:11, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep I'm gonng go with keep on this, as he wasn't just an average joe on the plane that died. He made phone calls, which were shown on TV and in print. He is notable enough, and the page is not setup as a memorial, so...Keep --sumnjim talk with me·changes 20:28, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete not notable except in his death. Wikipedia is not a memorial. Ohconfucius 10:04, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
cough cough Nick Berg --sumnjim talk with me·changes 17:54, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
To elaborate, please don't cite WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS, because I'm not trying to state that. What I mean is, that an article can talk about someone who became notable solely due to their death, and not be a memorial. Neither this article, nor Nick Berg's is net up as a memorial. They are set up to explain the circumstances that made them notable. In Mr. Felt's circumstance, he was able to make 911 phone calls which the authorities used to help figure out the details of these horrible horrible attacks, and to find some answers. In addition, Tom Burnett was a passenger on the same flight, who did the same thing, and his AfD result was Keep. --sumnjim talk with me·changes 19:21, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep He's the primary subject of multiple news stories. That makes him notable (WP:BIO). The Wikipedia is not a memorial policy only applies to people who aren't notable. Steve8675309 13:37, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep: Ditto on what Steve8678309 just said. --XLR8TION 04:59, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Celebrated victim. —the Ghost of Adrian Mineha! hold seance at 06:56, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak keep or merge with United Airlines Flight 93 Ed Felt's notability is more borderline than Jeremy Glick. Ed was one of two people on 9/11 (the other, flight attendant CeeCee Lyles) to make an actual cell phone call. It happened when they were at relatively low altitude, and only lasted a minute before it was disconnected. All the others came from onboard airphones. That said, there are numerous news articles that talk about Ed Felt [1] and I think enough web sources about him to provide needed sources to make this a proper, encyclopedic article. The BLP (news event) rule covers situations where there is news coverage about someone, but the news coverage only focuses on the one event and sources do not give more complete, broader biographical coverage. In this case, I think the sources are plentiful enough (though not as much so as Jeremy Glick and some others). As the article is now, though, it needs better referencing and quite a bit of cleanup work to bring it up to expected standards. A merge with the Flight 93 article and redirect there would be a reasonable alternative to keeping the article. --Aude (talk) 12:46, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.