Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Edison Glass

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS. With the information now added to the article, I think I'd like to see this re-examined before deletion. The allmusic.com page in particular does not seem complete. NB. I had to replcae the tinyurl link with the full Google link since tinyurl links are now banned sitewide. -Splash^talk 01:27, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edison Glass

Creator conceded to me that this band lacks notability. Band and albums not in allmusic, not in discogs-- Perfecto 05:48, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete fails WP:MUSIC. --Perfecto 05:48, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. There's really no reason for you to express your opinion in this discussion area. The fact that you put the article up for deletion and explained your reason for doing so would allow even a very feeble-minded person, let alone a closing admin, to infer your opinion on the matter.  :) Ikkyu2 05:52, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
    • "Opinions" not allowed in a "discussion" area? I'm the feeble-minded because you don't make sense. --Perfecto 06:03, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
      • Come now, sir. You're allowed to do whatever you want. But anyone would think you have a dog in the race - you expressed your opinion when you nominated the article for deletion, then again when you created the explanatory text, then again when you put the first opinion up. Let me show you what that looks like:
        • Delete. Ikkyu2 16:28, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
        • Delete. Ikkyu2 16:28, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
        • Delete. Ikkyu2 16:28, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
      • Now I ask you: is that appropriate? Ikkyu2 16:28, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
    • It seems you propose I stop at ===[[Edison Glass]]=== and skip the explanatory text and the first bullet. Is that what you do? --Perfecto 17:35, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
      • I don't nominate very many articles for deletion; it seems to me that the explanatory text is important, but putting the first bullet down feels like an attempt to channel groupthink to direct the discussion in a certain way. I think it's important to avoid, not only impropriety, but the appearance of impropriety. Ikkyu2 01:22, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. per nom. Arbustoo 06:27, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Although this band lacks "notability", this is not a good reason to delete this article, since Wikipedia:Notability is not an official Wikipedia guideline. I believe that obscure content is not harmful to Wikipedia, so this article should be kept. (No hard feelings if it winds up being deleted, though.) EdGl 07:13, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Wikipedia:Notability (music) is a guideline. If you had read the introductory paragraph of Wikipedia:Notability before you cited it, you would have learned this. Ikkyu2 16:34, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
    • I tend to agree with your point about obscure content -- really, obscure things that someone might someday search are one of the primary values of an encyclopedia. But, there's a distinction here -- encyclopedias don't make things notable, and enhancing perceived notability is often the purpose of articles herein re. very new or unreferenced topics. Adrian Lamo · (talk) · (mail) · 20:54, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. laughing per crap above mine. Batman2005 07:24, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete This band is listed on Allmusic.com with one album A Burn or a Shiver on Allmusic.com see [1].As such, they probably don't meet our musical notability guidelines but may well do in the future. Capitalistroadster 08:17, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete a long and complex search for the band name + (any) album gives about 120 results, see [2]. —This user has left wikipedia 09:04 2006-02-02
• Delete per Achille. Royboycrashfan 17:17, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, WP:MUSIC Bad ideas 21:00, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment After reading Capitalistroadster's input on the matter, I agree with him; this band does not meet the guidelines now, but they may in the future. For the record, this band's producer Brad Wood co-produced a Smashing Pumpkins album and produced several Placebo albums ([3]). Edison Glass toured with Roper, The O.C. Supertones, and The Wedding, all well-known bands within the Christian scene [4]. Also, their cd "A Burn or a Shiver" will be released in April in many major electronics stores in the U.S. (Best Buy, Circuit City, etc.) I do not know if this makes the band "notable" or not, but at the very least it gives the band the definite potential to deserve an article on Wikipedia. Therefore, you may delete this article if you want; I'm guessing it's no trouble to start it up again once it meets the guidelines. In the meantime I will study these guidelines and then write this article again when appropriate. As a new Wikipedian I am still learning :-). EdGl 21:19, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as I read WP:MUSIC there's no reason any act that's done a tour in the United States to be deleted on grounds of non-notability. --AlexWCovington (talk) 02:53, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Excellent find, Alex. Wikipedia:Notability (music) states the following: "A musician or ensemble...is notable if it...Has gone on...a national concert tour in at least one large or medium-sized country..." In that case, Edison Glass is indeed a notable band; if this article is deleted, then it would be a violation of an official Wikipedia guideline. EdGl 03:56, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: I've updated the article to be more in line with Wikipedia standards for band articles. --AlexWCovington (talk) 05:06, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Thank you for your excellent edits to the Edison Glass article. When I get a chance I will add some information regarding their nationwide tour with Roper, and any further information I can find on this band. EdGl 05:15, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.