Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Edgewood High School (Indiana)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. Tyrenius (talk) 05:27, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edgewood High School (Indiana)

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Article does not assert notability of the school. VivioFateFan (Talk, Sandbox) 07:03, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Comment Article was created 18 minutes before you nominated it for deletion. Fee Fi Foe Fum (talk) 07:33, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. High Schools are notable. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 08:09, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
    • There are no policies or guidelines on Wikipedia that say that, that is just your opinion. TJ Spyke 08:26, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
      • Wikipedia:Notability (schools)#Option 1. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 08:57, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
        • That is a PROPOSED guideline, meaning as of right now it has not effect. Next argument? TJ Spyke 09:29, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
          • Whether its proposed or not, it's a guideline; it's not my personal opinion. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 09:34, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
            • Proposed means it is NOT a guideline yet, so it has no say over articles; that means it IS just your opinion that schools are inherently notable (an opinion I strongly disagree with). That means you have to judge it by current guidelines and policies. Notice that even on that proposed guideline page there are more than proposals. TJ Spyke 09:47, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
              • Yes, that's true. However, this school is now a bit more notable, see my sources added to the page. AnteaterZot (talk) 10:08, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete No assertion of notability (which means it can be speedy deleted), no third party sources, no info on the article other than saying the city its in. TJ Spyke 08:26, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
    • NB: Almost no Sysop will speedy delete a article on a school, even if it technically does fufill a criteria such as A7 or A1 due to the heavy controversy surrounding the deletion of schools (except for pages obviously added in bad faith). With that being said, I don't feel this article meets criteria for inclusion (see my vote below) Mr Senseless (talk) 18:27, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per WP:SCL and as per brewcrewer. -- Loukinho (talk) 09:23, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
    • That's the same think, a PROPOSED guideline (meaning it's not actually a guideline right now, so it has no effect on Wikipedia articles). TJ Spyke 09:47, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per TJ Spyke Xiong Chiamiov ::contact:: help! 09:49, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, now that I went to the trouble of finding some sources. AnteaterZot (talk) 10:06, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Has refs, high schools are notable. STORMTRACKER 94 12:43, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletions. —Camaron1 | Chris (talk) 12:55, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - Regardless on if there is a guideline stating it, it has been found that most high schools are notable. I endorse the removal of the speedy tag as it is not within the spirit of speedy deletion to use them controversial cases, and it is still disputed if schools fall under A7. Sources have now been added to the article making it a perfectly reasonable stub, and I am sure more can be found. Camaron1 | Chris (talk) 13:18, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Sources added. And comment. This isn't just aimed at the nomninator, it's a widespread problem. The main afd page under Before Nominating For AFD states:
Before nominating a recently created article, please consider that many good articles started their Wikilife in pretty bad shape. Unless it is obviously a hopeless case, consider sharing your reservations with the article creator, mentioning your concerns on the article's discussion page, and/or adding a "cleanup" template, instead of bringing the article to AfD. If you can fix the article through normal editing, then it is not a good candidate for AfD.

How can any of these steps be done when we're nominating articles minutes after creation?--Cube lurker (talk) 13:41, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Speedy keep—We need a guideline on "ambush deletionism", because I don't think this is benefiting wikipedia in the slightest. (Not necessarily the case in this instance, but I do see brand new pages get AfD more often than seems random.) Unless a page is clearly a speedy delete candidate, the editor(s) needs some time to bring the page to early maturity. At least a month, say.—RJH (talk) 16:13, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak Delete I'm not seeing how this school is notable, I don't feel the show choir or the bowl win nessacarially assert notablitiy. Mr Senseless (talk) 18:27, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Above and beyond the 19-minute drive by AfD that appears to clearly violate Wikipedia:deletion policy, in addition to the overwhelming general consensus and precedent on high school notability, the article as restructured provides claims backed up by reliable sources to satisfy the Wikipedia:Notability standard. Props to AnteaterZot for his efforts to improve the article. Alansohn (talk) 19:23, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep all high schoools are inherantly notable. None should ever be deleted for notability, regardless of the quality or sourcing of the article ATM. JERRY talk contribs 01:58, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
    • I don't think sarcasm works well on the written page, Jerry. AnteaterZot (talk) 05:22, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
      • You incorrectly assumed there was sarcasm in my post. Reread it again assuming it is 100% sincere, as it was intended. Thanks, JERRY talk contribs 16:13, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
        • Well, then I have to disagree; I believe that nearly all high schools are notable, and that there are scenarios in which a high school article should be dəleted. I haven't seen one yet, but it could happen. AnteaterZot (talk) 00:00, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Is notable with sources, proposed policy makes all high schools notable Hobit (talk) 14:24, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - meets WP:N. Absolutely ludicrous to nominate minutes after creation, arguably an abuse of the AfD process. Yes it was inadequate; that's why we have tagging and stubs. TerriersFan (talk) 04:40, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep as above, the article clearly articulates why the school is notable. (jarbarf) (talk) 05:19, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
  • What? Why is there such a big discussion over whether the article is relevant? What people put up is accurate so I don't understand the big deal. I just don't get why even accurate and good things are constantly deleted by everybody. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andiburns (talk • contribs) 05:11, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.