Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Edge Hill State School

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This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus. · Katefan0(scribble) 17:45, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Edge Hill State School

Sub-stub, very few Google or Yahoo hits, little chance to grow into anything but a yellow pages entry. Also no events or people of note attached to this primary school. Also per Schools for Deletion. Delete. Gateman1997 00:29, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

So is my house. But that doesn't mean it belongs in an encyclopedia. Cmadler 11:48, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
  • How would we verify your house? Kappa 02:37, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Oh, I think you're on shaky ground there. There are lots of ways to verify a house. If Cmadler's real world name happens to be what you'd think, and if he or she cares to disclose the city in which they live—for a slightly rarer name the state would be enough—and if it's in the U.S.,you could use an online white pages like anywho or switchboard to find their street address. Depending on exactly where they live there's a good chance you could get enough of an image through Terraserver or other online aerial photography sources to verify the existence of the house. In certain downtown areas of major cities, www.a9.com has streetlevel imagery of entire streets, Pinckney Street in this case, and you can "walk" up and down and see some of the nice private residences on Pinckney Street. Are they all worthy of individual articles? You could use one of the online real estate databases to find out whether that house had been bought or sold in the last twenty years or so, and for how much. And that's just for starters. Dpbsmith (talk) 23:11, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Non-notable.Voice of All (talk) 04:15, September 13, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Stevey7788, I think you forgot to include quotes in your search string--the individual words are mostly pretty common, after all. But mentions of the school aren't. Not notable. Aquillion 06:20, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete Wow it's a school? And it exists? Noooooo way! Paul 06:32, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete Per nom. Marskell 10:02, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete Yellow pages entry. Pilatus 11:06, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Doesn't even attempt notability. Cmadler 11:48, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete There is no "tribal immunity" for substubs that happen to have "school" in their title. WP is not the Yellow Pages. Geogre 12:36, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
  • This would qualify for speedy deletion- one sentence plus an external link- if it were not a school. Delete.--Scimitar parley 15:40, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
    • That wouldn't make it a candidate for speedy deletion. Kappa 18:06, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete on principles stated above, but also comment: please note that there exist similar stubs for a number of schools in Cairns, Queensland, including St Anthony's Primary, Dimbulah, Cairns West State School, Parramatta State School, etc. Probably all of these should be deleted. Chick Bowen 15:50, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Makes no claim to notablity and possibly has no claim to make. WP:NOT an indiscriminate collection of information. Fernando Rizo T/C 17:45, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Usual reasons. WMMartin 19:01, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete crap. Dunc|☺ 19:40, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. This school is important to the indigenous population it serves. Silensor 19:49, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
Can that importance be verified? Chick Bowen 19:53, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
Even if it can I don't see the relevance. My grocery store is important to the indigenous population it serves (which incidently is MUCH larger then the community this school serves) but that was deleted. Being "important" to a few locals is not reason enough for a worldwide encyclopedia entry any more then existing is. Gateman1997 19:55, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
  • You created that article to makle a WP:POINT, so the fact it was deleted proves nothing. Kappa 20:05, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
I beg to differ. Point or no, it had an equal or better claim to an article then this or several school articles. Yet everyone made some great arguments as to why it should be deleted... and those arguments can be carried over to this article. Many schools are worthy of articles, but this isn't one of them.Gateman1997 20:10, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete as above. --Carnildo 21:17, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, important for education in outback Queensland. --Vsion 21:32, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete When did Cairns become the outback?--Porturology 04:35, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep It's good in a way to see that the deletionists are increasingly resorting to nominating primary school articles. CalJW 21:59, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
    • A sign of things to come, I think. Even primary schools are regularly surviving the AfD process, which will likely cause a moderate increase in the nominations of primary schools in response as attempts to peel off a few articles through attrition against the most vulernable. Obviously, poorly written articles about primary schools are the most vulernable of all, because some votes will be cast against the school before it can be re-written and cleaned up - some of those voters will never come back to change votes, even if they might otherwise have voted to keep in the first place. Nonetheless, YTD school articles AfD statistics: 277 nominated, 228 kept, 37 deleted.--Nicodemus75 23:07, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep - All schols are inherantly notable. --Celestianpower hab 22:18, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Take this, and all the other substub articles created via links from the education section of the Cairns, Queensland and merge them into one article on education in the area. Which might actually be useful for something other than a child saying "oh look, our school has an article" and obsessives counting the number of stubs they can create. I am assuming here that we're actually trying to create a useful encyclopedia here rather than tiny, pathetic, feeble stubs about everything in the off-chance that something might happen to enable us to write a decent article. I mean, what do we have on this - it's a school, it's in Cairns, it has a headteacher. You could put the useful info on these schools in a table - name, age range, size. Which might actually be useful for people wanting to look up education in Cairns. But I suppose that takes more effort than just creating a bunch of sub-stubs which take far, far longer to look at than information on one page, and in all probability won't get maintained. After all, the time of people reading Wikipedia is NOT valueless. Average Earthman 23:05, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
    • The current article is not a sub-stub and is more useful for anyone who needs to know about the school itself than a merged page would be, so in fact it is saving them time. Note that it was created by an anon from a red link, so presumably it was a helpful outsider rather than an obsessive wikipedia editor. Kappa 23:22, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep The claim that this is a sub-stub is currently false. Google counting seems to me like a somewhat bizarre method to determine the encyclopedic nature of a school. This is a perfectly good stub and already after only five days it's undergoing active growth. --Tony SidawayTalk 00:46, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
    • I would still classify it as a substub. There is no more information that is of relevance that has been added since the VFD was tagged. However I will note that the only development on this article (however miniscule and irrelevant) has come as a result OF the VfD.Gateman1997 01:11, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
    • We only delete articles that are incapable of improvement. An article that shows visible improvement during a deletion discussion, well... You also claim that there is "no more information of relevance that has been added" since you listed it for deletion. This is blatantly false. Since being listed, the article has acquired a reference, the date it was founded, the coalition of which it is a member, and the name of the headmistress. --Tony SidawayTalk 02:11, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
    • The addition of information to an article, caused because of an AfD listing, is obviously not a criteria for deletion. The argument being constructed here is: "the only development on this article has come as a result OF the AfD - therefore the article should be deleted". This inherently fellacious argument does not even merit a response.--Nicodemus75 22:57, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
      • None of which demonstrate notability nor provide more information than could reasonably be included in a merged page of Cairns schools. By the way, when I saw the earlier reference to "Schools in Cairns", I wondered how well one could learn amid a pile of rocks... Barno 19:19, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
        • Lack of "notability" is not a valid criteria for the deletion of schools.--Nicodemus75 22:57, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
          • Of course it is. All articles on Wikipedia have to have some notability attached to them. Schools are no exception. But that was not the basis of this AfD, but rather the fact this article can never grow into anything but a glorified stub as there is little information relating to this school of an encyclopedic nature.Gateman1997 22:59, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
            • This is false. As per Wikipedia Policy at WP:DEL, Lack of Notability is not a listed criteria for deletion, nor is being obscure, nor is being "unimportant". It is misleading to make the claim that "All articles on Wikipedia have to have some notability attached to them. Schools are no exception" in large measure because you are simply applying your own standard of "notability" to an article you feel should be deleted. In any event, my response was not made on the basis of your nomination, but rather to several votes on this page, including the one to which I responded directly prior to your reply. Further, the article has already "grown" beyond what it was when nominated. Assertions that it will only be a "glorified stub", and "there is little information relating to this school of an encyclopedic nature" are not objective facts - only subjective statements. Please prove your assertion that "there is little information relating to this school of an encyclopedic nature" with something a little more convincing than a "Google search".--Nicodemus75 23:17, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete no demonstration of notability. Jonathunder 01:55, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Permanent public institution in existence for 60+ years.--Centauri 02:57, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, no demonstration of notability. Ambi 03:09, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. A school, and a notable one at that. Pburka 03:37, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep per Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments. Unfocused 20:43, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, no demonstration of non-notability. --Nicodemus75 22:57, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and stop nominating schools until consensus is reached. --Ryan Delaney talk 23:01, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, well-written, in-depth article about an interesting school. JYolkowski // talk 02:07, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
  • keep! 24ip | lolol 19:46, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
  • keep please this article is really good so erasing it is not the right answer Yuckfoo 07:11, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Weak Keep Decent length article, and schools are protected under precedent. Add an infobox and a picture and you'll bring me up to Keep. Karmafist 21:22, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep good article. -- DS1953 02:50, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Obviously the article has grown well past what the nom said it ever could. It has improved, and will in the future. Easy keep. --rob 13:18, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and please stop nominating schools. --Ryan Delaney talk 11:18, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Wikipedia content is not and should not be determined based on the arbitrary application of such vague, relative concepts as "importance" or "notability". Keep.--Gene_poole 13:42, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep -- A school, and a non-stub article. --Mysidia (talk) 21:39, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete nonnotable. freestylefrappe 02:19, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.