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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. delldot talk 07:40, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edgar Steele

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Claims notability by being the lawyer for a case, as sourced by the Anti-Defamation League. This article appears to me to be an attack page, and a single ADL reference plus a reference to his own website doesn't to me appear to prove notability Nyttend 02:00, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Speedy Delete: No assertion of notability, already tagged. - Rjd0060 02:07, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure if he's notable, but he was covered a bit in Idaho. For example:

Sagle lawyer Edgar Steele is still on the job.
Steele is the one-time attorney for Butler who portrayed himself as a latter-day Clarence Darrow, willing to defend those whose teachings he despised.
"Yeah, he's a racist," Steele told jurors about Butler in the Aryan Nations leader's 2000 trial for instigating an assault on passersby of his former compound at Hayden Lake. "Yeah, he says reprehensible things."
Today, it's Steele saying those things.
Last weekend, he was a featured speaker at a California gathering of people who deny that the Holocaust happened. And he told the group that assertions that 6 million Jews died in Europe at the instructions of Adolf Hitler constitute "a pattern of lies." [...]

—"The Rev. Butler's attorney becomes his protege," Lewiston Morning Tribune, May 2, 2004. This event was also covered in the Spokane Spokesman-Review. It looks like the only national coverage was during the trial, and it did not focus so much on the lawyer. On balance, I say delete. Cool Hand Luke 02:13, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Comment Perhaps justified by primary sources: his postings on a remarkable number of obnoxious web sites. DGG (talk) 11:37, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

As the creator of this page, I would argue that he is quite notable within white supremacist circles. SkepticMatt 02:52, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

    • Comment I've removed the speedy delete tag, as I don't believe it worthy of a speedy delete; as an administrator, I would have deleted it myself if I believed it worthy, but the wording about "gained notoriety" sounds like an assertion of notability. Nyttend 04:59, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
I had inserted the speedy delete tag that you later removed. Am I correct in thinking that the article's creator should not have removed the tag, that it is okay for an uninvolved editor to remove a tag, but the creator should not remove it? That is why I reinserted it before you removed it. Sbowers3 (talk) 03:43, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes, you're correct: the author cannot remove the speedy tag, but anyone else can. You did rightly; if nothing else, you had no way of knowing that I would have deleted it immediately :-) Nyttend (talk) 04:34, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

The article isn't an attack, the guy has compared black people to cows on his website and has asked the ADL to refer to his as "Mr. Anti-Semite." Just because the vast majority of people would find his views reprehensible does not mean that stating the facts about Steele is an "attack." Notice that I never said that Steele's views were "hateful," or "wrong," in the entry and thus I maintained NPOV. Incidentally, prior to his "coming out," as an extremist, he was an attorney for several notable clientelle, appearing on all major cable networks. He remains a prominent figure in the White Nationalist and White Supremacist communities, and was prominently featured alongside David Duke in a 2004 rally. SkepticMatt (talk) 03:41, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Read this project page. Nyttend (talk) 04:34, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
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