Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eddie McGee

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Please defer merge related discussion to article talk. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 04:36, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eddie McGee

Eddie McGee (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Proposing a Delete and Redirect; The only reason this article was created is because of his notability from being a contestant on Big Brother. He has a bio on the Big Brother page that is sufficient. Winning Big Brother really isn't that notable. At least not so notable that a person will need his or her own article. Rjd0060 03:19, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related pages because of the same reason:

   :Will Kirby (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
   :Lisa Donahue (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
   :Jun Song (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
   :Andrew Daniel (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
   :Maggie Ausburn (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
   :Mike Malin (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
   :Dick Donato (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

- Rjd0060 03:24, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Dick Donato struck, that was already under discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dick Donato (2nd nomination). GRBerry 13:37, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
  • "Sigh Keep" - I don't particularly want to pick through this AfD, as I have never cared for multiple biographical listings - not all people are the same. To the nom - your assertion as to why the articles were created is a non-issue. Speculation does not belong here. Will Kirby is notable for winning, yes, but also for being a featured physician on Dr. 90210. Mike Malin is a notable investor, night-club owner, etc, outside of Big Brother. It's a national television show in which each contestant plays a major role and as a criteria for entertainer 'has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following.' With a limited amount of people picked to compete in annual reality shows, I would assume each contestant is notable. the_undertow talk 03:52, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Neutral - I'm seriously on the line with this one. I'd like to see the outcome of the Dick Donato AfD first though... Spawn Man 05:12, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Actually, even though the nominator has gone about it in an odd way, he/she's right to address the issue rather than jump on an individual article. His/her argument for deletion of the Dick Donato is bigger than one article. Anyway, these articles have content that's not in the Big Brother, Survivor, whatever articles. If national spelling bee champions can get their own articles, Big Brother winners certainly can. Yeah, I know (other stuff exists).
Regarding Dick Donato, whose AfD led to this mess, maybe he won't do anything additionally notable, but we can't know. To reject on the basis on what he hasn't done yet would be an odd kind of crystal balling. He is presently notable because his big win on Big Brother is a current event. The original AfD was handled so horribly with people removing the AfD tag for four days, pronouncing it closed when they weren't admins and therefore had no such authority, plus his notability changed mid-AfD. He went from contestant to winner. This is a big deal. Wryspy 02:44, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Donato's being the subject of multiple, verifiable 3rd party sources makes him notable. the_undertow talk 05:22, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
(EC) Wryspy, I'm sorry, but your rationale is IMHO crazy. I have a 3 year old niece - Now if I were to create an article on her, you're basically saying that you'd keep it because we can't know if she'd do anything notable or not. It's not crystal balling, it's common wiki-sense. She hasn't done anything notable and until she has, she shouldn't have an article. There's always the "Create article" link ya know, but seriously, keeping an article because the subject might do something notable is silly. Regards, Spawn Man 05:23, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure the National Organization of Women's outrage, the petition to oust him, the many news articles about him, and oh yeah the Big Brother win make Donato more famous, more newsworthy, and far more notable than your niece. Wryspy 05:28, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Ahem... It was an example to demonstrate your somewhat flawed logistics... Spawn Man 07:21, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak delete or better to renominate separately: These batched nominations almost always end up as train wrecks. Most of these are valid candidates for deletion as the articles are pure trivia out of the show with no biography worthy of an encyclopaedia. Most are unsourced or are sourced to show marketing or gossip columns, and would fail WP:RS, but I'm generalising here. Ohconfucius 05:44, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep The arguments for each of these individuals are too diverse to handle in a single nomination. Maxamegalon2000 06:03, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep All - Winning a major (IMO major == long-running, prime-time network TV) reality TV show satisfies WP:N as far as I'm concerned. Some of the not-so-outgoing earlier winners may need a bit of sourcing about their winning seasons and such, but for others like Will and Boogie...er, Mike...the win + repeat appearance on an all-star season + their respective notability outside of Big Brother is unquestionable. Tarc 13:45, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep all. More notable than a huge percentage of the living people with articles in Wikipedia, and far more famous. (Donato should not have been removed from this list. The other Donato nom should have been closed.) Shoester 18:39, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Comment: Thats what I thought. It has been done many times before. - Rjd0060 19:00, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Delete They belong in the Big Brother articles in the series they appeared. Why in the world should someone be notable because they won a meager half million? Big Brother, at least in the US, is a summer show, therefore has much lower ratings than primetime fall shows. Also, who will remember them a couple of months from now? Let alone years from now? And how is that notable for an encyclopedia? With maybe the exeption of Will, most of the people listed here, are long forgotten. Except for those who are diehard fans. Also WP is not a crystal ball, in that they may do something notable is not a reason to keep them and sets a poor precedent. Until they murder someone, or get a large role on a popular PRIMETIME show, or become like Paris Hilton et. al then maybe one or the other deserves a little blurb outside of the show's article. Jeeny 19:27, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Interesting point, but it does not trump the fact that many or all have 'significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject.' The policy will withstand the fact you find 500K to be meager or summer to be an inferior television season. the_undertow talk 00:04, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Comment: Do you think they all should be kept, or just Will Kirby? - Rjd0060 23:12, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Personally, I think that all reality show people who are not notable for anything else should go, but that ship has sailed already, unfortunately. Corvus cornix 23:19, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge all unless the winner has done something notable outside of the show. AniMate 04:35, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge all That's a very good suggestion AniMate, as collectively the winners are notable, but not as individuals. Tiptopper 00:47, 29 September 2007 (UTC)


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.