Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ed Wiley, Jr.
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Snowball keep, article has been rewritten as a serviceable stub. Non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer • (((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 19:20, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Ed Wiley, Jr.
New article. Notability is doubtful at best, and it looks like a copyvio and/or COI. Shalom Hello 21:06, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- Keep
Delete (edit conflict)Due to WP:COPYVIO violations of the copyright of the subject's website.The subject seems to be a notable jazz musician, with several CDs for sale on Amazon and his bio at Allmusicguide [1] which substantiates the basic info in the article.But the article is a copyright violation from the artist's website. The Wikipedia article says: "It was in this Gulf crucible of Houston that Wiley absorbed the blues, gospel, rhythm and blues influences that coalesced to form the big, aggressive and bluesy“Texas Tenor” sound popularized by saxophonists [1], Arnett Cobb, Buddy Tate and others." Wiley's website [2] says: "It was in this Gulf crucible that Wiley absorbed the blues, gospel, rhythm and blues influences that coalesced to form the "Texas Tenor" sound popularized by saxophonists Illinois Jacquet, Arnett Cobb, Buddy Tate and others." I did not compare them sentence for sentence. Besides being at least in part a copyvio, the article has zero references, while alluding to interviews with the subject in Downbeat, an important music magazine, without stating the details of the publication date, article title, or author. WP:RS and WP:V require that such information come from reliable and verifiable sources, and not just the say-so of an anonymous Wikipedia editor. I encourage the creator to provide references for where he got the details in the article, or for others to stub it down to what they can find references for. An article about the musician could be created with references and satisfy WP:BIO but this one fails WP:A and WP:COPYVIO.OK stub. Someone with a good online puiblicatin subscription could probably add material from the claimed Downbeat interview and other sources. Edison 21:43, 16 July 2007 (UTC) - Comment I completely rewrote the article to create a bare-bones stub. Seems a shame to delete an article on a notable musician. Is this acceptable now? Eliz81 21:46, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. I think what Eliz81 has done is acceptable to deal with the copyvio. It appears that Ed Wiley has had at least one hit recording and so is notable under WP:NMG. The article can now be carefully rebuilt with attention being paid to WP:RS. --Malcolmxl5 22:07, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- Keep and Expand Clearly meets WP:MUSIC. Chubbles 22:48, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Neutral. The hit was a regional hit single in the Houston area according to this [3] and was written and recorded by Teddy Reynolds (with Ed Wiley on saxophone, presumably) according to this [4]; is that enough to pass WP:MUSIC?Change to Keep per new info. --Charlene 23:20, 16 July 2007 (UTC)- Comment Even if the regional hit doesn't qualify, his Allmusic biography asserts multiple national tours, recording sessions with a number of very important musicians, and records released on extremely important record labels (Chess, Mercury, Atlantic). Chubbles 23:32, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- Keep, as per chubbles1212. Callelinea 00:46, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
KEEP I, Ed Wiley III, an author and journalist for more than 30 years, have just finished an initial draft my father's biography (Chitlin' Circuit Blues: Reflections of a Texas Tenorman), which I have researched for many years. All of the material included in the biography -- notwithstanding the incorrect reference to "Cry, Cry Baby" as a local hit, when in fact it was No. 3 on Billboard for 14 consecutive weeks in 1950 -- is accurate. Fact-checkers need only look at any substantial compilations of Texas Blues between 1945 and 1952 to see that Ed Wiley is the common denominator. I have interviewed him, naturally, and have traveled far and wide to interview many of the leading exponents in blues over the years -- including Little Milton, Henry Hayes, Piney Brown, Roosevelt Wardell, Milt Hinton, Shirley Scott -- all of whom were close associates, musically and personally, and far too many others to list here now. Wiley has received critical acclaim (USA Today, New York Times, Philadelphia Daily News, Down Beat, Jazz Times, Philadelphia Inquirer, BET -- See www.edwileyjr.com) for at least two of his contemporary recordings. He has recorded for Chess, Sittin' In With, Mercury (See the History of Blues and Rhythm, Vol. I and II), Atlantic, DeLuxe, Freedom, Savoy, Gold Star, King, etc. References deleted by Wikipedia editors were attributed to Eugene Holley, Jr., who in fact penned biographical information on Wiley during Holley's tenure with the American Music Center, which is included on Ed Wiley's Web Site. I am new to the Wikipedia procedures for including material, and please forgive me if I am stumbling my way through. But everything is accurate and well-documented on the Web and in the archives of the Smithsonian and Library of Congress. Ed Wiley, Jr., now 77 years old, continues to tour worldwide and record new music. His most recent CD, "About the Soul," was released in May 2006 with major distribution and promotion, and he currently is in the studio on another project. He is also the subject of a major production documentary to be released in August 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Swingmaniii (talk • contribs) 20:31, 16 July 2007
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- As that appears to be the author of the copyrighted material, we might be able to get OTRS permission to use the original biography. Chubbles 03:03, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
- Keep - notable and detailed. -- Fuzheado | Talk 13:48, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
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